thomas shannon thomas lost his son quinn in the mh 17 attack in amsterdam. marie cur. the horn assistant professor of international criminal law at the university of amsterdam and in oxford, samuel romani, and associate fellow at the royal united services institute. welcome to your thank you very much for joining us on inside. sorry, thomas. let me start with you. if i can, your son quin died in the mh 17 disaster. i know this has been a very difficult time for your family. tell us 1st about how you felt when that verdict was read out in court. do you feel just this has been done? does this bring you any closure i have difficulties in talking about and the closure. this will never be close. but the truth is that yesterday was important to all of us was important to me. to finally hear a church, an independent church, well respected internationally, that would say what happened, who is responsible and who should be convicted? so yes, it was a great day to finally hear what we know already in the past years. since we have received that information from different press channels already, you followed the, the tile, thomas from the very beginning. what was it like for your, for your family and the, the other victim sammy's who were there with you. i did go twice to the board. i live in new york for 5 years time was unable to