everyone felt it would be a short conflict but now it seems it will be a long one. >> thomas weiss, was there a little bit of a cynical reaction, a kind of, oh well, here we go again, brinksmanship, squeezing donors, we've got to do this, so here's maximum leverage, we're going to have people who will be hungry right away? >> well, i think it's important to distinguish any cynical reactions from the real needs on the ground. there are clearly real needs on the ground and we've seen as we just mentioned a kind of slow motion rwanda over the last three and a half years. and the important thing to keep in mind is that the refugees are actually lucky ones. the 6 million to 7 million inside syria are actually in worst shape -- worse shape, have little access and few stores to go to and under considerable danger. so being a refugee is actually a leg up on the others. the importance of course i think in your distinction between pallettes and cards is it's a little easier domestically to sell to iowa farmers the idea of getting rid of surplus the u.s. government particularly in this congress in