thomas wolf, a dentist who specializes in treating patients using hypnosis, one of them, it's unanswered, knows them. we used dental hypnosis as a way of helping our patient that would move his car. it's very useful for reducing anxiety and lowering pain than that they can even switch off the pain stimulus entirely. and let us to helen thomas was, asks his patient to picture a safe relaxing location in his mind's eye. so the idea is that having entered a trance like state i go will experience this safe place as realistically as possible for the either the dentist asked him for 3 key words that should flow into the hypnosis. mia, see water island males. those are nice words and what if i could hope feels uncomfortable and once to interrupt the treatment, all the has to do is raise his hand. now thomasville initiates the hypnosis and i to hope he treats mentally to his safe place from home from co kinsey. inside your mind go so my very safe, pleasant and calm. michelle may be somewhere in the sun week by the sea and maybe to an island, a meal flesh heaven enzo. what happens in the brain du

russian diplomat a russian diplomat also a number of a number of nazis and with tom the novelist thomas wolfe. i don't actually go into that. i mean to me it didn't have huge influence on on her father and sort of what his views were. it's incredibly interesting, but it's not necessarily relevant to the ambassadors. so i was criticized in a wall street journal review for i think they said sort of oddly he does not spend time and i didn't think it was odd at all. it's been well covered in in the book by by eric larson. and so i mentioned it only in passing. but it's it's an interesting part of its time. they're not out about it. thank you very much. so again, thank you all. if you're very kind. thank you and welcome to all of you in this nearly packed auditorium, but those of you also who have joined online. for a gentleman

thomas. how aggressively should they go after her testimony? >> well, wolf, i think they should go after her more aggressively than they're likely to do. liz cheney seemed a bit reluctant in her statement, we're going to think about thinking about it. it's not super aggressive so we have to wonder how aggressive they will be. on the other hand, cheney at least acknowledged her testimony is important and suggested they would pursue it. so i hope that they do. we know there are a lot of text messages between her, mark meadows, john eastman, and other people who really were central to this plot. so she's an important person here. and i hope that they do get at her testimony, even if they have to subpoena her to do so. >> jonathan, there's also this question of the missing secret service text messages, which the vice chair of the committee, liz cheney, calls deeply troubling. as a former secret service agent yourself, is there a culture of secrecy around the people they protect? >> well, listen, the culture is one of protecting people physically and from reputat

society and organized enemies, just using the formula of thomas hobbes - this is the war of all against all, this is a formula when a person to a man a wolfinus a magnifier sts a man to a wolf instead, we are only gradually forming a real society of solidary competitors, this is the key to success, we must be quite competitive in e-e the level of competition in society must be very high in business and in politics and in education and science and in intellectual and artistic and cultural practices, but this competition in all liberal-democratic societies is compensated or the society did not fall apart by a fairly high level of solidarity and this a sense of solidarity and mutual trust was formed on the squares of both, and even more so on the second , and as it seems to me, the war, no matter how tragic it was, but it forms such mutual trust in us when we understand that for the sake of our statehood, our political nation, our freedom and at the end of our lives, we have to practice a fairly high level of trust in society. you know, i listened to you and mentioned just in parallel that i have repeatedly encountered the combination of thi