lee with george washington or thompson jefferson? t he understood the negative consequences by those people antedidn't get caught up into historical reverie. george washington, and the founding father, and thomas jefferson, on our declaration of independence, are radically dissimilar. robert e. lee hated it so much he wanted to divide from it and find another union. thomas jefferson and george washington, no matter how flaws, sought to protect the democracy that would flourish. to appeal to them, to talk about the ongoing need. so comparing stonewall jackson and robert e lee. it is just a category mistake and symptomic of their disregard for this history that the president has disregarded. >> people will argue it is part of america's history, even if it is ugly. how do you espouse to people that removing them is the right thing to do. >> let's stipulate this. it is be part of your history and heritage of bigotry. the heritage of america, which is to transmit the virus of white supremacy that we see now. it doesn't mean that it is not

i wonder is it george washington next week and thompson jefferson the week after. you have to ask yourself where does it stop. they were there to protest -- excuse me. you take a look the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. infrastructure question. go ahead. >> charlie: some suggested the president's response will embolden neo-nazi and white supremacists group. joining us from charlottesville is elle reeve as a correspondent for vice news tonight the covers the alt right and has been on the ground in charlottesville since friday morning. here's a look at her report at the documentary, "charlottesville race and terror." >> so when did you get into what you call the racial stuff. >> with trayvon martin and rice and all these things. in some case it's a little [bleep] getting himself in trouble acting like a savage. whatever problems i have with my fellow white people they're generally not inclined to so much behavior and you have to think about that when you think about how to organization your society. >> oklahoma

as i understand it, black lives matter members in our community rallying around a statue of thompson jeffersonth all of his mistakes an the way he treated the slave children on his plantations purely for economic benefit. some of the records have shown. >> that was mayor of charlottesville talking about the scene at uva on friday night. when protestors marched across karp us carrying lit tiki torches. the university of virginia was founded by thomas jefferson nearly 200 years ago. but during friday's events, hundreds of far right demonstrators attacked a small group of counterprotestors who linked around arms of a statue of jefferson in the center of the uva campus. and while jefferson is a revered figure, his legacy is mixed, particularly when it comes to how city treated the slaves that he owned at his home in charlottesville. a descendent of thomas jefferson. shannon, thank you very much for coming in. we really appreciate it. as a zed ent of thomas jefferson, how do you view what happened in charlottesville on friday? >> that's definitely a tragedy that all -- this whole snowball of effect