let's me thompson lena barber's, his data scientist for the university of california, san diego, and he joins us from portland, oregon. thank you very much for being with us hobson. so this package, this by where is men to target criminals, drug dealers, not ordinary citizens. first of all, just how widespread was the use of the spyware, and who did it target? we don't know how wide spread it was used, nor what its purpose was. all we know is that it was used to target these journalists and activists around the world. and in fact was used in order to facilitate the ca shogi merc motor recently. yes. okay. tell us a bit more about the spy wage. self peg is it? how does it work? how sophisticated is it, and what does it do? it's military grades as being our software used to route phones for mobile phones using 0 day vulnerabilities that require no action by the user to completely take over the phone and utilize it for whatever the purposes are for the organization that has accomplished a hack. who uses a, who are initials, customers. obviously the various are governments around the wor