for thosef us who know the story dr. king, he had to be turned on to nonviolence. were born to it so to speak. yond being born into it, how you cameo believehis as a philosop. tell me about joa baez nonviolent formulati. >> i could see whatever pictures came to my mind. i lived in baghdad, iraq. tavis: we're going to talk out that. >> my fatheras with unesco. head the job of teaching at the university of bhdad. we three kids and my mom were there forbout a year. someime during that year, you know, a i saw things which my clsmates at home would never see. we saw poverty. and we saw sorrow. weaw kids who we bken. we saw people. we saw cels and siks walkg down the mn street. you never kne who was going spit first. e stuff they said was so shocking. my parents became quakers wn i was 8. my mher gave me a copy of the diary anne fnk. and that was a huge pointn my life that i identified with h so strongly. what hpened fromeading that was tt i felt as a child that i was associated somehow with al children. and if any child d not want to be hurt or beatenhat i wouldn't nt t

i think they had aevel of imperer theabilit that thosef us w have t done it can't begin to fatho one of the things that made me fit interested in writing a book onapollo" 13 was when i saw jim lovell many years after the accidentn television talkin about having the impulse to panic. andhat's a queion he's commonly asked "di you panic? did anyone in th spaceaft panic?" he said "i thought about panicking buthen i decidednot to because i didn't ink it would get me anywhere." and i was struck by the nonchalance with whiche said decided not t pasick a parasympaetic reonse. the's only a handful of peopl o can make it a voluntary response. >> rose: they're a good pilots. >>ertainly. they were l good pilots and they were either test pilots or comb pilots. as that clip fm buzz jt owed there were a lot ofen who risked eir lives in combat otr men whorisked their lives in unpven vehicles which by the way is i some caseaking a gger chance. oneffolks i spoke to for the story pointedout, once you get those kin of men in a spacecraft, off sf-selected group that point because they've already leard to