in thoselicenses, gaps, there is a robust opportunity. it is exciting. it can be a win-win. >> is that the general feeling at the fcc? >> it is a mixed feeling. i think there'll be a difference of opinion on this one. the incentive auction happens, it will be one of the biggest opportunities in many years to transform the use of those airwaves from tv to the mobile devices for which there is great demand. in that opportunity, should the fcc try to ensure that smaller companies have a summation -- having sufficient amount of airwaves? how to make sure that at&t and verizon do not escape with a lion share? >> i think there is a way to give a home to small carriers and entrepreneurs and large companies. with the 700 megahertz auction that is part of the digital tv transition, i proposed a plan that would have done just that. that way you could have a home for all of those. what kind of conditions do you place it in the spectrum? there were conditions placed in the auction. into thelarge players spectrum box that we expect smaller players would want. some we