the last justice with that background was thurgood marshall. work in that role, and also on the sentencing commission is going to give her keen insight into the criminal justice process, and she also has a family member who has been incarcerated. she has that life experience. i think that will be an important perspective that she could bring to bear as the court faces criminal justice issues. susan: you often hear discussions about the legal training of the people that are nominated, coming from the last couple of decades from ivy league law schools. you teach at the university of houston, and i'm wondering what your thought is on that sort of diversity and the necessity of bringing people from other institutions. renee: i think it's an important factor. it was notable to me that justice barrett was not from that same cohort. it's not just something i noticed. presidents in previous administrations are looked at by all sorts of measures of diversity, even if they aren't focused on gender. there were a good geography. we don't have much diversit

thought about the display that holds the signature of the judicial oath of office signed by thurgood marshallcause america has no choice but to do better. it's a powerful reminder each of us hold and i really mean it. i'm more optimistic about the chances to bring equity to the country than we ever have before now. just take a look at the division i have so much hope as a younger generation those folks from grade school, look at what's going on and how they act. there is everything you see from television commercials to how we act with one another. we have so much going for us. i want to thank you for all you've done and all that we can do. so thank you. may god bless you all. ladies and gentlemen please remain in your seat until the president and first lady depart. [applause] welcome, everyone. the note for the subcommittee permitted to

susan: you described thurgood marshall and ruth bader ginsburg, both were activists. what their nominations be considered today given the way the process works? prof. barton: marshall would be a lot harder. he did not go tlr harvard. he went -- he did not go to yale or harvard. he is a self-described hellraiser before he turned the corner and became a more serious person. he would have had a hard time. he does not meet the educational background and he would have been more controversial. ruth bader ginsburg would be controversial. they took stands along the way before they got there. the current route to the court encourages keeping your head down and working hard. like a silent version of jumping through all of these ever narrowing hoops. i do not think that is helpful. susan: you referenced how presidents use to appoint politicians. we pulled these numbers from your book. before 1980, 14 u.s. senators, 17 house members, five continental congress members, one president, or two in your telling, 10 governors, five mayors, and 40 state legislators, sandra day o'connor wa

sentencing commission and she would be the first justice since thurgood marshall with considerable defense experience. her qualifications are exceptional. in every role she's held, she has earned a reputation for thoughtfulness, even handedness and collegiality and just as impressive as judge jackson's record is her character and temperament. humble, personable, she's g.e.d. indicated herself to i can maaing about our legal system more understandable and more accessible for everyone who came in her courtroom. finally, of course, there is the perspective that judge jackson will bring. over the course of its history, 115 justices have served on the supreme court. if she's confirmed, judge jackson will be the 116th. but she would be the first supreme court justice who is the daughter of parents who felt the crushing oppression of segregation and the first justice who has represented the indigent as a public defender. judge jackson also comes from a law enforcement family, has a deep appreciate for the risk of police officers like her brother and uncles, and i believe one served on the baltimo

senate unanimously to serve on the sentencing commission and would best the first justice since thurgood marshall with considerable criminal defense experience. her qualifications are exceptional in every role she's held forss thoughtfulness, evenhandedness and collegiality. the character and temperament, humble, personable she's dedicated herself to making the legal system more understandable and accessible. the perspective that she will bring to the high court over the course of its history, 115 justices have served on the supreme court. if she's confirmed, she will be the 116th but would be the first supreme court justice who is the daughter of parents who fell to theio crushing oppression of segregation. the first justice that's represented as a public defender. judge jackson also comes from a law enforcement family and has a deep appreciation for the risk of police officers like her brother and own goals. i believe one is served on the baltimore police department. indeed with the confirmation, the supreme court's would come closer to fully reflecting the diversity in america. justice breyer

we're right at the heart of brown versus board of education thurgood marshall certainly would have been invited to represent new york, right because he's coming out of the nccps coming out of new york city. he he's born in baltimore but his his the state in which he resides in in 1953 is new york. so he's a delegate from new york. you have percival baxter. who's the governor the former governor of the state of maine with his dog gary on the left. he is the arguably most famous manor at the time, although he hasn't been governor for quite some times. it's quite some time. he would have been no doubt invited. you have mary mcleod bethune vice president of the naacp on fdr's black cabinet. she likely would have been there this 1953 constitutional convention is first to welcome women, right? it was unlikely that women would have been invited to 1903. so in 1953, they get invited to and they come well represented in my story some of the arguments that they would have you you can imagine i have this interesting story about thurgood marshall being frustrated with the equal protection clause no

and we have lacked that experience since justice thurgood marshall left the bench in 1991.e last person who had regularly represented people were accused of crimes. although not as a public defender, but as an attorney, naacp legal defense fund. i also spent time working there before teaching as senior counsel. and atlds, there is a strategic goal to help dismantle racial inequality. so in thurgood marshall's representation of people accused of crimes, it was to advance that goal and that interest. so at lds, he would pick and choose which claims to represent. i want to underscore the fact that judge jackson as a federal public defender could not and did not choose which clients to represent. she was responsible for representing whatever client in that jurisdiction would find her office and then find her as a member of the federal defenders. juan: alexis hoag, what were some of the moments that stuck out to you from yesterday's hearing? >> good morning, juan. several stuck out from yesterday's hearing. just in the exchange you played with senator cruz. i felt that sigh in m

it just shows we're not as different from 1967 when thurgood marshall who's also articulate was namedi thank you. the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." >> what an articulate, panel. anderson, thank you so much. i couldn't let it go. glad to see you, and yes, i am laura coats, and this is "cnn tonight." president biden's trailblazing supreme court nominee, judge ketanji brown jackson is still answering questions tonight on day two of her confirmation hearings. we're going to check back live shortly on that historic confirmation. there could also be more contentious questioning when senator marsha blackburn is up. and this has been a long day. in fact, 12 hours and counting including a few breaks in between. and it's bee

that one stop she was she gave her spiel in front of thurgood marshall and leon ransom. who was then the dean of howard law school and was given as a result a full tuition scholarship to howard. she was the only girl on only woman in her class of all black men. how it is a black university. and she found herself. laughed at behind her back. she was not called in class as much of the other guys. as the other people and she was at the first the first instance aware of what she came to call jane crow. it was the combination of sexual discrimination gender discrimination and racial discrimination. it didn't it didn't or her final law school paper was about how the equal protection argument of the constitution could prevail over plessy versus ferguson the separate but equal decision of the 19th century. her classmates laughed at her but she prevailed and wrote that thesis her professor spotters with robinson bet her $25 that that no $10 that it wouldn't be that plus he wouldn't be overturned for the next 25 years. in fact, it was overturned by thurgood marshall in the well-kn

the year before president jones, thurgood marshall, as the first black supreme court justice. and federal district court, and until her death is at the age of 84. joining us now, judge constance baker motley son, my dear friend, joel motley, is chairman emeritus of the board of human rights watch. joel, thank you so much for joining us tonight. this is a very special, for me. i just want to get your reaction to how you are feeling today, when your mother, was once again, invoked, and praised, in this supreme court nomination process. >> it is a very special feeling. it is historic, for all of the reasons that you have mentioned. my mother was nominated to be the first black woman federal judge. james eastland, who is the fiduciary committee, found the nomination of the year. he had a particular anger about her, because she represented james meredith, who you can see in the picture, who integrated in the state. so he, and others from the south, we're all together. >> i was also wondering, today, joel, if you have any advice for the future supreme court justices, teenage dollars

. >> the court will have the first public defender since thurgood marshall. >> i think that there isn some ways that she is -- because she was a public defender, which is an incredibly interesting and compelling part of her background, that she leans one partisan way over another. >> she says biden was drawn to jackson as a jurorist who bridges the devide from reform to law enforcement. >> he is somebody in his hone life who believes that, you know, there needs to be reforms of the system but also that we need to support the role that police officers playing across the country. she was somebody who had such an impeccable background and appeal across the board, a public defender endorsed by the fraternal order of police, he felt that would make her an excellent member of the court. >> jen psaki said that before the state of the union when he used the speech to introduce had his nominee. >> a former public defend from a family of public school educators and police officers, she's a consensus builder. >> and that link to thurgood marshall is notable. he was the first black person on the

at one stop, she gave her spiel in front of thurgood marshall and leon ransom, who was then the dean of howard law school and was given, as a result, a full tuition scholarship to howard. she was the only girl -- only woman in her class of all black men. because howard is a black university. and she found herself laughed at behind her back. she was not called in class as much as the other guys, as the other people. and she was at the first-- the first instance aware of what she began to call jane crow. it was the combination of s.e.c.ual discrimination, gender discrimination, and racial discrimination. it didn't -- it didn't -- her final law school paper was about how the equal protection argument of the constitution could prevail over plessy versus ferguson, the separate but equal decision of the 19th century. her classmates laughed at her. but she prevailed and wrote that thesis. her professor bet her $25 that -- no, $10 that plessy wouldn't be overturned for the next 25 years n. fact, it was overturned by thurgood marshall in the well-known brown decision, which he won in part by

but she's also the first nominee since the '60s with thurgood marshall who has significant experienceendants. and that has given some republicans an opening in their mind to say, you know, are you soft on crime? have you defended people who are bad for the community? the way she handled it last time was to say everyone deserves strong representation and that that experience helped her in the wider world of understanding our criminal justice system. >> you mentioned soft on crime. that's going to be one criticism. a few gop senators have already raised concerns about judge jackson's judicial record. but this is what senate minority leader mitch mcconnell actually had to say. >> i'm going to listen to the hearings and, by the way, she'll be treated much better than democrats have typically treated republican nominees, like clarence thomas and brett kavanaugh. it will be a respectful, deep dive into her record, which i think is entirely appropriate for a lifetime appointment. >> all right. he sounds like he wants to remain neutral. is there a way in which to gauge other republican senato

justice is chosen, they keep their jobs for life or until they decide to retire did you know thurgood marshall was the first african american justice and sandra day o'connor became the first woman in 1981. >> it is thrilling in a way to be the first something. the first woman to ever serve on the court. but it is dreadful if you are the last and if i didn't do the job well, that's what would happen. >> reporter: o'connor is since retired but since her appointment, four other women have been appointed as supreme court justices by law, the supreme court just meet in washington, d.c., the nation's capitol they don't know the exact reasons why the justices wear robes. but the tradition is thought to be passed down from other countries like england. there is no rule or dress code that says each justice has to wear a black robe in the 1700s to 1800s, paintings show a judge wore a black robe with red elements on the steve. ruth bader ginsburg was known for dressing up her robe with col collars. before the justices take the bench, they each shake hands with each other, a reminder despite any differenc

you and this idea that you know, you weren't as impressed with thurgood marshall as others right that there was something about the spiritual that's always called you to this work, but also to the space no when i was very young. oh even before my father love. i would always look at those in ministry that were in social activists. i love adam craig powell and i'm like 19 years old which you know already aboard preaching out church of god in christ, and but i wasn't attracted to the side of preachers that were doing the pastoring big churches as attracted to the activist act. i ten eleven years old was really about cece. we got there in san francisco, and these were the kinds of preachers. i grew up. i want to be like that and jesse jackson ended up a mental mind when i was 12, my mother brought me to him. he was 25 26. he's transmitted. so he was like a father figure that lady became a big a big brother figure because as you grow older the gap of 13 years is different than father the son so i know what i wanted to be and i never changed that i never let nobody told me out of it. i reme

our first black justice, a thurgood marshall on the left, clarence thomas on the opposite end of the spectrum. the real question for senators has to be what is the approach to the law and how does she carry out that role as a judge. host: you mentioned clarence thomas. news out of supreme court yesterday, justice thomas hospitalized since friday after experiencing flulike symptoms. being treated with intravenous antibodies for an infection and expected to be released in the next day or two so that comes ahead of the supreme court hearing. plenty of calls already. spencer is up first out of clarksburg, west virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. you have crisis on the name of the title of your group. do you have any problems with justice not answering questions to the senate and kind of bypassing their answers to the questions? after the ripoff the republicans pulled, why is there such a crisis now? >> we had crisis in our name for quite a while now. i think the crisis is when we have judges who aren't considering themselves bound by the actual laws passed by our elected repres

the first justice says thurgood marshall, with criminal experience and is the only, second justice to serve as a federal judge. he also noted your upbringing, the fact come from a law enforcement family. despite your record, we have heard claims that you are soft on crime. these baseless charges are unfair. a conservative nationalist calls meritless to the point of a degree. regardless of the pleasures the colleagues and made, we will approach her nomination. fact checkers, including the " washington post" have exposed these charges as follows. alse. with more enforcement officials and organizations including the international association of people police, national association of a black law executives, and the police have endorsed your nomination if you are soft of crime, of course not. i want to share the words of one. bear with me. abraham lincoln. in august, 1860 four at the height of the civil war, president lincoln addressed 166 ohio bridgman, lincoln said to the soldiers " by having temporarily to occupy this white house, i am living a witness that one of your children may come

the rats of nim it was through the library that i learned for the first time about the work of thurgood marshall and ruth bader ginsburg. and it was then in there some 25 years ago. that i resolved to become a lawyer just like them and change the stories our country chose to tell. in its courtrooms and its laws in its books neither that day nor that conviction has left me. for the treasures of the books that i discovered are etched into my being. my heart still mourns little ann and old dan from where the wet red. fern grows still delights in the silliness the wayside school. still steals itself with the feminism of a wrinkle in time. but most of all the honor of having found books that reflected me at a time when i needed them gave me a sense that perhaps despite all messaging. i was not singularly unwanted that perhaps i was just as worthy as the next child. to this day whenever i feel scared and lost there are a few things more comforting than the sight and smell of books. and because you are here at a book festival at 9 am on a saturday. i suspect you can relate. so now that you know a littl

her health failed just like thurgood marshall's did. she didn't get to have an opportunity to be appointed. ketanji brown jackson was worth waiting for. hands down. more qualified than any other individual who has ever served on the united states supreme court. i am the granddaughter of an american slave. i know a lot about the constitution. i'm a retired educator. i went to law school for one year. that's what i want to say. i did hear cory booker. he began to talk about her. she was appointed the first federal judge before i turned 19 years old. i was a student at knoxville college. she is worth waiting for. we've been waiting a long time. host: how do we change the confirmation process? should we change the process? it seems like everyone whether liberal or conservative has complaints about how their candidate is treated in front of the committee? how do we make sure everyone is treated fairly? caller: that's going to be a trick. most people view it as political theater. as someone previously stated, this was the opportunity to try t

nomination, the president spoke to many, and noted the perspective, as the first justice since thurgood marshall with considerable criminal defense experience and -- considerable criminal defense even though they know you are working in favor of the bill of rights and the constitution's promise. law enforcement officials and organizations, including the international association chief of the lease the national organization of law enforcement, and the fraternal order of police have endorsed your nominee. in closing, i want to share the words, if you will bear with me, of a man named abraham lincoln. in august 1864, at the height of the civil war, president lincoln addressed the 166 ohio regimen. and i quote, i have been temporarily to occupy this white house, i am living witness, judge jackson, you are a temporary occupant of the seventh, the house, even with a lifetime appointment to the highest court. you are one of mr. lincoln's living witnesses of an america that is unafraid of challenge, willing to risk change, confident in our citizens, and you are a living witness to the fact that in ameri

she talks about how thurgood marshall, in her opinion, was able to influence former justice sandra dayif it's something we'll see in her time. >> sandra day o'connor and judge ginsberg did find common ground in cases that came to women's rights. ruth bader ginsburg told me she managed to change their minds about searching a teenage girl and how invasive that would be. it does seem to matter every day the supreme court are dealing with questions on gender and racial justice, what are the proper remedies for these issues, so to have someone in the room that are not theoretical, yes, it could overturn roe v. wade, it won't be the last time the court considers abortion. lots of times these abortion restrictions are made to protect black women and black babies. so to have somebody being rhetorically addressed who can then in the room say, here's the facts, here's some lived experience in addition to their deep legal experiences i think makes a big difference. >> irin carmon, it was great to have you. we'll have you back again. >> thank you. >>> countries that have taken in millions of refug

the first justice says thurgood marshall, with criminal experience and is the only, second justice to serve as a federal judge. he also noted your upbringing, the fact come from a law enforcement family. despite your record, we have heard claims that you are soft on crime. these baseless charges are unfair. a conservative nationalist calls meritless to the point of a degree. regardless of the pleasures the colleagues and made, we will approach her nomination. fact checkers, including the " washington post" have exposed these charges as follows. alse. with more enforcement officials and organizations including the international association of people police, national association of a black law executives, and the police have endorsed your nomination if you are soft of crime, of course not. i want to share the words of one. bear with me. abraham lincoln. in august, 1860 four at the height of the civil war, president lincoln addressed 166 ohio bridgman, lincoln said to the soldiers " by having temporarily to occupy this white house, i am living a witness that one of your children may come

and then a clerkship with supreme court justice thurgood marshall the clinton white house and finally to authorship and georgetown university cheryl cashion. you were only the second african-american to clerk for justice marshall. is that correct? no, i was the only second black woman to clerk for justice marshall. he had had a number of black male clerks, but i was his second black female clerk after his goddaughter karen hasty williams. what did that experience mean to you? oh until i got married and had children. it was the best year of my life bar none. thurgood marshall was an icon obviously, but he was also just a wonderful human being he was the best storyteller he would share the most you would be on the edge of your seat listening to him tell stories from barely getting out of sleepy southern towns within with his life evading an attempted lynching to meeting with prince hanging out with prince philip when they were drafting the canyon constitution when he was doing that to hanging out with langston hughes his fraternity brother and my grandfather's fraternity brother alpha p

you're going to be the first nominee since justice thurgood marshall with a significant background in criminal defense. that's pretty impressive. so all of us should want that represented on the supreme court because decisions on the supreme court can have a lasting impact on criminal justice system. my question is this. i believe that your experience as a federal public defender has made you a better judge, helped you maintain impartial and balanced perspective in criminal cases and i assume you would agree with that. >> yes, senator. i think that experience in the criminal justice system, whether, as you say on the prosecution side or the defense side, having actual experience is an asset as a judge. you understand the way the system works and as a defense counsel, you have interacted with defendants in a way that as a judge, at least as a trial judge, i thought was very beneficial. one of those ways is it helped me to develop a sense of the need to communicate directly with defendants and it didn't change, i think, in any way the outcomes of the cases when i was a trial judge, but

the first african-american, thurgood marshal in 1967. the first woman in 1981.irst hispanic in 2009. whatever joe biden does, this is one of the things he will be remembered for. apsalming she is confirm ed wil be remembered as the first black woman on the supreme court. that's what matters today. she is that story, she told about doing her coloring books while her father studied lieu at the kitchen table, that's the story that americans want to believe is the american story. that is what we're all probably going to remember rather than the political back and forth that goes on in these nominations. >> you had judge thomas griffith who retired and a very close friend. some tried to create this narrative of a radical choice led by the left. we have griffith saying we did not have agree but you have this long list of republican who is think she is an excellent choice. >> you have the friend who says the first person knocking at your door bwhen you get some ba news about family member with cancer. they are trying to say this is the personal side of ketanji brown ja

are over, the google search term will be for child porn, right, not for anything else, not for thurgood marshallthis hearing that i think the white house hoped would be sort of more at the forefront. >> yeah. i mean, even if they can't stop the nomination, they can change the narrative around the nomination. >> not just change it. they can bruise her up on the way -- >> absolutely. thank you all for that conversation. take a look at this. >>> fighters in odesa are preparing to fight against the russian invasion, and they're listening to bon jovi's "it's my life." bon jovi re-tweet that had video with the song lyrics, this is for the ones who stood their ground. we'll be right back. ♪ it's my l life ♪ few years ol, we wanant to buy your car. so go to carvanana enter your license plate, answer a f few questions, and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready we'll come to you, pay you on the spot, and pickup your car. that's it! so ditch the old way of selling your car and say hello to the new way. at carvana! at adp, we use data-driven

he noted you as the third justice since thurgood marshal and only the second current justice, only thesecond to serve as a federal trial court judge he also noted your upbringing, the fact that you come from a law enforcement family. despite that shared family experience and your record, we've heard claims that you're, quote, soft on crime. he's baseless charges are unfair. a conservative national review columnist call claims brought by one of my colleagues demagoguery. fact checkers including "the washington post," abc news and cnn have exposed some of these charges as falsehoods. critics have even stooped to accuse you of sharing the views of the clients you represented, even though they know your work as an attorney was in service to a bill of rights. with law enforcement officials and organizations, including the international association of police, the national organization of black law enforcement executive have endorsed your nomination. if you were soft on crime, of course not. in closing i want to share the words of one more illinoisan, a rather famous one of abraham lincoln. >

we have to go all the way back to 1960s and thurgood marshall for a nominee who did so much work on thehat gives her this breadth of experience but vulnerable to questions about, you represented this bad actor. you were working on behalf of someone at guantanamo, detainee. she has been through this three previous times. most recent last year when she was up for her current position on the d.c. circuit court. she knows what's coming at her. she will probably trying to reassure senators and speak to the american make. . >> no one has been watching her the way they will be watching her. >> that's right. >> thank you so much. berman. >>> breaking news. a chinese airliner carrying 130 people has crashed in the mountains of southeast china. we have the details next. >>> plus, multiple explosions heard overnight in kyiv, lug this huge blast at a shopping mall. cnn is on the scene ahead. [sound of helicopter blades] ugh... they found me. ♪ ♪ nice suits, you guys blend right in. the world needs you back. i'm retired greg, you know this. people have their money just sitting around doing nothing..

and the classmate decided to apply to the university of alabama po tern fwr and a good friend, thurgood marshalthe supreme courts upheld that ruling the next year and lucy showed up for class on february 3rd, 1956. she was met there with rocks, eggs, racist slur and het after just three days the university suspended lucy for her own safety, school officials said. then she was expelled. shortly after she energized the civil rights nuchl were company can go telling her story from the pull principle. in 193, seven years after she was kicked out of school, two black students were admitted to the university of alabama. decades ace today her portrait hangs in the student union. the university's clock power bears her name and just last week lucy was present when the main building at the college of education was renamed for her. replacing the name of a former alabama governor ap. >> the, she paved the wave >> the, she paved the wave against is now a good time for a flare-up? enough, crohn's! for adults with moderate to severe crohn's or ulcerative colitis, stelara® can provide relief, and is the first

. >> and they haven't had a defendinger on the cord since thurgood marshall, so i think the white house josh hawley will bring it up. senator mike lee has indicated that he would bring this issue as well. i'm told that all the republicans on the judiciary committee are very well aware of the research. >> i think what we will see is mcconnell i think has set the table for what we will expect to see, a confirmation process of dignity and respect due to her impeccable judicial record. she has a tremendous record of accomplishments, and i don't expect to see any way, shape or form character assassinations like we have seen in the past. this will be about her record and scrutinizing her judicial record is valuable for a lifetime appointment. >> i think conservative and liberals have supported her. the fraternal order of police usually don't endorse people who are technically soft on crime. and they were out on the second day of her nomination. the major city chiefs, the sheriffs, the cato institute came out in support of judge jackson. you adopt have to agree with her on all the issues, but