if thwaites goes, everything might collapse. in that scenario, which is very dire, which is not imminent, but is possible, we're talking about 10,000 feet of sea level rise. >> in fact, in your article, you talk a little bit about the worst case scenarios if water level goes up 15 feet. in that scenario, the jefferson memorial and fenway park would be under water. outside the u.s., the damage would be incalculable. shanghai, lagos, mumbai, jakarta, all would flood or drown. >> this is a collaborative effort that will stretch really over the next four or five or six years to investigate how -- it's 1,000 miles from the station which is the main staging ground in antarctica. it will stretch really over the next, four, five, six years to investigate how fast this glacier might become unstable. because we really don't know. we have models. scientists use computer models to look at what temperatures might be in the future, for instance, by looking at where carbon dioxide emissions are going. but it is different when you try to predic