and they believe in the growth story of tibco. the second thing that it's enabled us to do, not being a public company with all the same sort of exposures of a public company, we can make some longer term bets. we can think a little bit more long term about what we're investing in, which products really matter, build for the future. that's very much what we've been doing over the last years. >> and of course there is the chance you might go public again. if i'm a young engineer, i'm joining a pre-ipo company. >> that's exactly right, the best of both worlds, big enough for momentum and security but small enough to be innovative. >> as you're placing those long term bets, what do you see as the opportunities for tibco going forward? >> i think three big areas we talk a lot about today, i mentioned iot. in essence it's very central to what we do. it's about a lot of data and how do you process a lot of data in realtime to take advantage of it. and then on the other side, what we do with analytics, and merging that with the ai techno