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tidwell? >> no. >> anything else in criteria section? page three. the continuance of the criteria section. make sure you didn't overlook anything. ok, thank you. moving into page four, section 3. description of redistricting task force process. ms. lam? >> i just wanted to be able to add that the task force had received more than 1,000 written and oral testimony? >> where? >> i'm sorry, second paragraph. page 4. >> sorry, i have the task force of over 1,000 written in oral testimony or public comment. >> i'm sorry, and 300 what? >> [inaudible] >> can you include that in? ok. madam clerk state what you just said. >> to add in over 300 public comments submitted at meetings and member lam with 1,000 emails via the email public comment. >> so do we want to just change it from 1,000 1,300? >> yes. >> good. >> i want you to know that you've been working hard. >> thank you. >> just for clarification, the 00 hours of meeting time that member leigh had raised? >> my suggestion was at the end of the fir
tidwell? >> no. >> anything else in criteria section? page three. the continuance of the criteria section. make sure you didn't overlook anything. ok, thank you. moving into page four, section 3. description of redistricting task force process. ms. lam? >> i just wanted to be able to add that the task force had received more than 1,000 written and oral testimony? >> where? >> i'm sorry, second paragraph. page 4. >> sorry, i have the task force of over 1,000...
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tidwell: ok. i will say russian hill. >> if the association cemented boundaries for russian help, which are obviously different than -- >> the community association submitted boundaries for a the community association. they indicated they are different. >> my concern is that i think there's an argument that russian hill is -- i would encourage you not to list it here. you can be really conservative here. if there's a question as to whether the neighborhood is but cannot, don't worry about it. >> man please add something? -- may i please add something? when somebody gave us something and said, these are the descriptions, since we were talking about the richmond, we actually have neighborhood boundaries in the only bloc that is outside of those boundaries, it was actually submitted to us. this is an instance where you might want to make the decision to say, this is actually whole. we do have evidence, even if we don't of lines. i think the understanding was that you would not just stick to the lines
tidwell: ok. i will say russian hill. >> if the association cemented boundaries for russian help, which are obviously different than -- >> the community association submitted boundaries for a the community association. they indicated they are different. >> my concern is that i think there's an argument that russian hill is -- i would encourage you not to list it here. you can be really conservative here. if there's a question as to whether the neighborhood is but cannot, don't...
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tidwell? >> i just had a question. the q.r. facebook and twitter media. what q.r. stands for? >> quick response. >> is it ok if i spell that out or is it just? >> yes, you could do a parens. >> is it two words? >> it's two words, yes. >> i'm not young anymore. >> so ms. tidwell? in the paragraph that begins "the task force was initially allocated -- the middle of the paragraph where it says granted additional funds through the board of supervisors, strike county. it should be city clerk's office. >> take out the whole city clerk's office? >> it wasn't board of supervisors so what's actually correct? >> the city county clerk's office. the money came from the board of supervisors. >> i have a way to streamline that >> that's ok. that's fine. just strike it. you good, ms. tidwell? >> yeah, the only other question i had was on the newspapers. i thought at one point we'd added the african-american numerous. but -- >> ok. anything else from this section? mr. pilpel? >> the printed version that we ha
tidwell? >> i just had a question. the q.r. facebook and twitter media. what q.r. stands for? >> quick response. >> is it ok if i spell that out or is it just? >> yes, you could do a parens. >> is it two words? >> it's two words, yes. >> i'm not young anymore. >> so ms. tidwell? in the paragraph that begins "the task force was initially allocated -- the middle of the paragraph where it says granted additional funds through the board of...
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tidwell's list. >> we left the tenderloin out entirely. that was one of our primary concerns. mr. mcdonnell: we are on 6 now. so, tenderloin. >> we look at district consultants now? where are we? mr. mcdonnell: we are on district 6. this is the consultants lists list association. all of those will come off. we will now refer to ms. tidwell's list. mission bay, south beach, rincon hill, treasure island, filipino community, and the tenderloin just added by ms. melara. >> are we keeping it together in district 6? >> we did not fully achieve that for the mission, either. mr. mcdonnell: we will not include the tenderloin. >> there is a planning department-recognized neighborhood. correct the spelling. replace "n" with "p." mr. pilpel: could i suggest combining those and saying south of market? that seems to be more of a neighborhood that we could recognize. >> they are separate, though. mr. mcdonnell: hold on. we have heard one proposal. i will confirm the spelling. >> no. that is not right. >> no what? >
tidwell's list. >> we left the tenderloin out entirely. that was one of our primary concerns. mr. mcdonnell: we are on 6 now. so, tenderloin. >> we look at district consultants now? where are we? mr. mcdonnell: we are on district 6. this is the consultants lists list association. all of those will come off. we will now refer to ms. tidwell's list. mission bay, south beach, rincon hill, treasure island, filipino community, and the tenderloin just added by ms. melara. >> are we...
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tidwell? ms. tidwell: yeah, and good after i make this one on it. mr. mcdonnell: we will not include this item. all right, for purposes of the agenda, we're going back to item number 4, mapping, for purposes of a final review and approval of the final map. if we could switched the view to the final map, that would be helpful. ms. tidwell: i think i hit save the can. >> i was going to say, did you hit safe? [laughter] >> that would be horrible. will be here until midnight. mr. mcdonnell: ok, there will be a time of statement. >> chair? may i point out that the boxes in the districts currently do not reflect the three digits we talked about. we will do that in the pdf. mr. mcdonnell: perfect, thank you. questions. >> there was some question earlier about the island. we need to do anything formally about that? >> the consultant can tell you briefly the non-population changes they made. >> there are two issues. one is we have over laded the district's again. that resulted in a zero population change. but like to tell you what they are. the first is between
tidwell? ms. tidwell: yeah, and good after i make this one on it. mr. mcdonnell: we will not include this item. all right, for purposes of the agenda, we're going back to item number 4, mapping, for purposes of a final review and approval of the final map. if we could switched the view to the final map, that would be helpful. ms. tidwell: i think i hit save the can. >> i was going to say, did you hit safe? [laughter] >> that would be horrible. will be here until midnight. mr....
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commissioner tidwell: no. chairman mcdonnell: we can go back to cathedral hill played a wanted to suggest another block there. >> there is no population there. there is only buildings. >> i thought west there might be. is there population? >> this highlighted area has 164 people in it. it would bring the deviation to- point -- 4.9%. 2.37. the population of the selected area is 164 people. >> thank you. commissioner tidwell:. commissioner tidwell: can we zoom in a teeny bit more? i will go with yes. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner mondejar: yes. commissioner melara: no. commissioner leigh: no. commissioner alonso: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. >> what are the boundaries now for cathedral hill neighbors? i think we killed the whole thing that people want us to do. that is what is left in that little corner. >> this area? that is geary to van ness to golf. that is the existing boundary. >> people came to testify before us and we made changes for people here every time they come to te
commissioner tidwell: no. chairman mcdonnell: we can go back to cathedral hill played a wanted to suggest another block there. >> there is no population there. there is only buildings. >> i thought west there might be. is there population? >> this highlighted area has 164 people in it. it would bring the deviation to- point -- 4.9%. 2.37. the population of the selected area is 164 people. >> thank you. commissioner tidwell:. commissioner tidwell: can we zoom in a teeny...
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tidwell: yes. mr. mcdonnell: thank you so much. >> i just wanted to thank tidwell, melara, and leigh, and really, thank you for taking the time to pull all lavar reports together -- pull all of our reports together. mr. mcdonnell: thank you very much. it moving again, item number six. a press conference. based on lots of discussion and exploration with the city attorney around options, they are fairly limited in that while we do want to find a suitable, formal moment of issuing of the report, the problem is if we do it collectively, that it constitutes a meeting. once it constitutes a meeting, we are back where we started again. so our options are, a, we hold a press conference with less than a quorum present, which therefore does not constitute a meeting and we issue it, or to report its issued and a less public, less formal, less visible way and just gets distributed to committee and habitants. discussion? >> i have a suggestion. i suggest we hold a press conference with share mcdonnell and vice chai
tidwell: yes. mr. mcdonnell: thank you so much. >> i just wanted to thank tidwell, melara, and leigh, and really, thank you for taking the time to pull all lavar reports together -- pull all of our reports together. mr. mcdonnell: thank you very much. it moving again, item number six. a press conference. based on lots of discussion and exploration with the city attorney around options, they are fairly limited in that while we do want to find a suitable, formal moment of issuing of the...
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tidwell? >> i kind of agree with member pilpel. >> mr. schreiber? >> yes, i agree. >> you agree. ok. mr. mondejar? >> i agree. >> miss lam? >> yes. >> miss melara? mr. leigh? >> to make sure i understand, this is to not include any of our draft map? >> i agree. >> mr. alanso? >> yes. >> number one does not get included either. second point then, maps submitted by the public. >> mr. chair, just to let you know, a followup from the department of elections that the website will all be in psychiatristance for 10 years and it will be ssgrdtv and working maps are all available on the website also. we can reference. it will be there for anybody who wants to see it. sorry. >> that's ok, thank you. maps submitted by the public. mr. alanso, in or out? >> out. >> mr. leigh? >> out with the possibility -- i think this is the suggestion i would make just based on what madam clerk has said is that we have two sentences tend of this, one referring to the public file and one referring to the website and in th
tidwell? >> i kind of agree with member pilpel. >> mr. schreiber? >> yes, i agree. >> you agree. ok. mr. mondejar? >> i agree. >> miss lam? >> yes. >> miss melara? mr. leigh? >> to make sure i understand, this is to not include any of our draft map? >> i agree. >> mr. alanso? >> yes. >> number one does not get included either. second point then, maps submitted by the public. >> mr. chair, just to let you know, a...
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commissioner tidwell: yes. commissioner schreiber: there are fewer people who live on the median strip on 19th avenue. yes. commissioner pilpel: no. commissioner mondejar: yes. vice chair lam: yes. commissioner leigh: yes. commissioner alonso: yes. >> please make this change. yes, mr. schreiber. commissioner schreiber: i had this on my list as something that you mentioned. commissioner pilpel: the tingly trade that i describe the other day and we did not come to consensus on doingis to take the area south of 280, north of tingly, i don't have the numbers here. move that back to 11. take the aread south of st. luke's, all the way down to randall. 723 is what is nets out. move that down to 8. below 280, there were three or four blocks that would go from 11 to 9. >> this is the proposal we have down before. >> it is the same proposal, correct? >> interested in revisiting? commissioner tidwell: i am not quite understanding. commissioner schreiber: no. commissioner mondejar: no. vice chair lam: no. commissioner leig
commissioner tidwell: yes. commissioner schreiber: there are fewer people who live on the median strip on 19th avenue. yes. commissioner pilpel: no. commissioner mondejar: yes. vice chair lam: yes. commissioner leigh: yes. commissioner alonso: yes. >> please make this change. yes, mr. schreiber. commissioner schreiber: i had this on my list as something that you mentioned. commissioner pilpel: the tingly trade that i describe the other day and we did not come to consensus on doingis to...
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miss tidwell? >> yes. >> please make this change. as you're doing that can you give the new deviation or temporary deviation. >> for district 3 the temporary deviation is negative 3.5%. for district two the temporary deviation is negative 4.54% and for district one negative 5.23%. >> thank you. >> and the population being 270 with deviation. >> population for this is 331. >> that's what i said. >> deviation for district one would be negative 4.78%. for district two, next to 5%. we're going to look at the decimals right now. look at the decimals after the change. can we make the change temporarily? >> yes, please. let's not presume there's agreement. sorry, even though we discussed it. miss tidwell? >> discussion? >> i'm sorry. >> two points i believe it would be in range, it would be 4.97. >> you said discussion? >> yes. that's not a question though. we -- >> can we look at the layer of sequences defined? >> what does that have to do with this question? >> got it. >> there's no public submission fo
miss tidwell? >> yes. >> please make this change. as you're doing that can you give the new deviation or temporary deviation. >> for district 3 the temporary deviation is negative 3.5%. for district two the temporary deviation is negative 4.54% and for district one negative 5.23%. >> thank you. >> and the population being 270 with deviation. >> population for this is 331. >> that's what i said. >> deviation for district one would be negative...
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commissioner tidwell: yes. commissioner pilpel: yes. commissioner mondejar: yes. >> i have never seen council glare. >> i am thinking. >> i am going to come back to him. >> i wanted to do this after a break. >> ok, can i rescind the vote and take it after the break and have the vote with alonso back in the room. >> without objection. >> they do so much. we will take this vote up after the break. before the break, let me point to the fact that we will go to the next item which is map and final report. we will hear first from our final at the turn of the current draft. walk us through that. we will welcome in any additions or edits. we have had two members working on the report. we will trust fund that had a gain work. any questions? a cat we will wait until 2:30 by that clock. it is a 20-minin >> so in order to ensure that we can cast what becomes a final vote on what is in fact a final map, we're going to allow the consultants to complete, in the room right now while we move to another item -- to complete their review in light of the ch
commissioner tidwell: yes. commissioner pilpel: yes. commissioner mondejar: yes. >> i have never seen council glare. >> i am thinking. >> i am going to come back to him. >> i wanted to do this after a break. >> ok, can i rescind the vote and take it after the break and have the vote with alonso back in the room. >> without objection. >> they do so much. we will take this vote up after the break. before the break, let me point to the fact that we will go...
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-- tidwell? the proposal is where they will talk about dividing the park at all. >> i think i am ok with where i currently stand. >>
-- tidwell? the proposal is where they will talk about dividing the park at all. >> i think i am ok with where i currently stand. >>
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tidwell? >> i think i am going to say no. i don't see any public testimony around that being in sunny side. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. mr. schreiber? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mr. leigh? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mrs. melara? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: ms. lam. >> i used to live at monterrey and juice, and i have for -- for several years, and i think i did have a closer -- the bordering neighborhood, but i am in in support of moving that border to monterrey. chairman mcdonnell: that was a yes? >> yes. chairman mcdonnell: and mrs. mondejar? >> no, wipet support this. chairman mcdonnell: all right. so we would not make that change. >> did we look at russian hill? can we get the count there? the 2-3 border and see. chairman mcdonnell: let's go for a moment -- i am going to come back to this area in a moment. let's go to another area. >> i am not sure how the legal description works here to go from mansell to bayshore because they don't connect. there is a freeway in between. my intent was to go m mansell, up san brunoo and
tidwell? >> i think i am going to say no. i don't see any public testimony around that being in sunny side. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. mr. schreiber? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mr. leigh? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mrs. melara? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: ms. lam. >> i used to live at monterrey and juice, and i have for -- for several years, and i think i did have a closer -- the bordering neighborhood, but i am in in support of moving that border to monterrey....
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miss tidwell? >> yes. >> please make the change. >> we have one more population move that we wanted to bring to you. this one is between the district seven and district four. this is a congressional line you would align to. it's 19th after median. it would move from 7 to 9. total population -- >> 7 to 4 you mean? >> yes. how can it move from 7 to 9? >> yes, 7 to 4. not 7 to 9. >> what's the population? >> nine. >> resulting deviation? >> the resulting deviation would be for district four, negative.96% and four district seven, negative .3%. >> ok. any questions? >> i guess i would like to know, i drive there a lot. i don't see anyone living on the medium. can you tell me a little bit more about that? >> the census apparently have more responses from that median. >> the median speaks. [laughter] >> well then maybe they're very small. thank you. >> mr. alanso? >> yes. >> mr. leigh? >> yes. >> miss melara? >> yes. >> miss lam? >> yes. >> miss mondejar? >> yes. >> mr. pilpel? >> i just need to know whic
miss tidwell? >> yes. >> please make the change. >> we have one more population move that we wanted to bring to you. this one is between the district seven and district four. this is a congressional line you would align to. it's 19th after median. it would move from 7 to 9. total population -- >> 7 to 4 you mean? >> yes. how can it move from 7 to 9? >> yes, 7 to 4. not 7 to 9. >> what's the population? >> nine. >> resulting deviation?...
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commissioner tidwell: i would be supportive. the only change we made was adding one block behind st. luke's yesterday. commissioner schreiber: that would be fine. ms. montaro, ms. lamb. ms. malara. commissioner melara: yes. chairman mcdonnell: ok? all right. we began this part of the discussion with the notion that there were three pieces to be considered, north pantonal and russian hill, north panhandle we decided to make the move and we decided not to make the move. let's go to russian hill, please. >> that is where we wanted to end. chairman mcdonnell: i am restating restarted. the three pieces we needed to start with. we have considered no. panhandle and the third piece of that was russian hill. a different point of view. >> when does the lake st. part [inaudible] >> after russian hill and cathedral hill. is their proposal in that question or just curious where it fits? >> the proposal is to follow-up on questions on adjusting lake st. to balance the district. chairman mcdonnell: let's go to lake street. >> i am happy to mak
commissioner tidwell: i would be supportive. the only change we made was adding one block behind st. luke's yesterday. commissioner schreiber: that would be fine. ms. montaro, ms. lamb. ms. malara. commissioner melara: yes. chairman mcdonnell: ok? all right. we began this part of the discussion with the notion that there were three pieces to be considered, north pantonal and russian hill, north panhandle we decided to make the move and we decided not to make the move. let's go to russian hill,...
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just before we adjourn, ms tidwell? ms. tidwell: sorry, yes. just on behalf of the task force, i think we were all very grateful that kay decided to come out of retirement to help us. [appluse] we all think she has been very instrumental in the insured its posted, getting us public, as quickly as possible, posting the draft maps, and we really would not have been able to do it, stayingwe appreciate all the hef the people who have supported us, but i think you were really a crucial member to our team. we just want to say thank you. >> i will not be back in ten years. >> one last word then if i may. last kind of prerogative of the chair. again, it's been really a plesh working with each of you as i commented a moment ago there were many who expected this to turn into some kind of political fight of progressives and moderates and everybody in between on opposite sides and it did not materialize because we didn't allow it to materialize. so i really appreciate each of you for that. and again, to kay and -- who was everywhere all the time which was
just before we adjourn, ms tidwell? ms. tidwell: sorry, yes. just on behalf of the task force, i think we were all very grateful that kay decided to come out of retirement to help us. [appluse] we all think she has been very instrumental in the insured its posted, getting us public, as quickly as possible, posting the draft maps, and we really would not have been able to do it, stayingwe appreciate all the hef the people who have supported us, but i think you were really a crucial member to our...
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tidwell. >> in the board of supervisors convene the redistricting task force. that's where he wants it? >> yes. >> dear lord. >> after that, closed parenthesis by legislation adopted by july blank 2011 go back to where it was to carry out required redistricting. no other changes. >> you good ms. tidwell? >> uh-huh. >> ok, section a, charter provisions. section b, composition of task force? >> i would retitle this task force composition officers and staff and i would re-order the first three sentences in the order that the appointments were made, the elections commission appointed the three named members and i think we can also get those dates. otherwise the rest of --
tidwell. >> in the board of supervisors convene the redistricting task force. that's where he wants it? >> yes. >> dear lord. >> after that, closed parenthesis by legislation adopted by july blank 2011 go back to where it was to carry out required redistricting. no other changes. >> you good ms. tidwell? >> uh-huh. >> ok, section a, charter provisions. section b, composition of task force? >> i would retitle this task force composition officers...
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member tidwell: everyone has voted so i will zip it. for my impression, this would be my suggestion. on process, you would delete a suggestion to amend the charter to hire a consultant. we might consider other suggestions on community outreach. you would have a bullet point, something the says an outreach consultant and ensure you speak with the city attorney about how to acquire that consultant. >> it is not the city attorney. >> he consult on what the process is and what the restrictions are. or that there are additional, whatever the group may be. >> is a purchasing issue. >> my suggestion for a bullet point of the recommendation would be an outreach consultant asking the city attorney for purchasing guidelines regarding hiring. >> i do not have any problems. i just need to move on what this. i am very tired tonight. >> can i say something? member melara has volunteered to do this. now we are doing all kinds of things. i want to suggest that, let them do what they volunteered for. >> we made an agreement. an agreement that we would r
member tidwell: everyone has voted so i will zip it. for my impression, this would be my suggestion. on process, you would delete a suggestion to amend the charter to hire a consultant. we might consider other suggestions on community outreach. you would have a bullet point, something the says an outreach consultant and ensure you speak with the city attorney about how to acquire that consultant. >> it is not the city attorney. >> he consult on what the process is and what the...
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it seems like we have just one additional section of content that member tidwell submitted that we don't have in our hard copy. so if we can take that up as well. so just to begin with the mane report document itself, again, i want to thank everyone, all of my colleagues but especially member melara for taking the first leg of the editing responsibility and she incorporated as much as she could by, i believe, thursday late in in the day on thursday and i made subsequent changes that are reflected in this draft. so if i understand your direction correctly, mr. chair, we don't want to go through line by line or -- >> that's correct. i will ask you to remind us of what is in place and in and highlight in particular from your point of view what's not. >> ok. the first section, first page, first page i believe an entirety has not changed. member schreiber drafted this and it was very helpful. it needed i. this whole section needed in our opinion, a little editing. so if anybody sees any comments to make, please interrupt me. otherwise, we will just go on to the second page. again, there wasn'
it seems like we have just one additional section of content that member tidwell submitted that we don't have in our hard copy. so if we can take that up as well. so just to begin with the mane report document itself, again, i want to thank everyone, all of my colleagues but especially member melara for taking the first leg of the editing responsibility and she incorporated as much as she could by, i believe, thursday late in in the day on thursday and i made subsequent changes that are...
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tidwell? the general motion. we will get to specifics in a moment. >> i would like to say no, but i would like to consider st. luke's separately. chairman mcdonnell: mr. schreiber? >> i am not ready for this, or maybe ever. chairman mcdonnell: in the interest of moving our decision-making forward, the not-yets don't actually help us. if not-yet if there is a subset of the proposal i would like to consider or if the not-yet means i would like to consider something else, state what the something else. let me start over one more time. ms. tidwell? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: and what you would like to look
tidwell? the general motion. we will get to specifics in a moment. >> i would like to say no, but i would like to consider st. luke's separately. chairman mcdonnell: mr. schreiber? >> i am not ready for this, or maybe ever. chairman mcdonnell: in the interest of moving our decision-making forward, the not-yets don't actually help us. if not-yet if there is a subset of the proposal i would like to consider or if the not-yet means i would like to consider something else, state what...
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miss tidwell? >> discussion? >> i'm sorry. >> two points i believe it would be in range, it would be 4.97. >> you said discussion? >> yes. that's not a question though. we -- >> can we look at the layer of sequences defined? >> what does that have to do with this question? >> got it. >> there's no public submission for the boundry but we can look at the planning neighborhoods. this is the planning neighborhoods of sea cliff. would you like to also see, it also goes and extend out. any other questions? all right. miss tidwell? >> yes. >> mr. schreiber? >> yes. >> mr. pilpel? >> yes. >> miss mondejar? >> yes. >> miss lam? >> yes. >> miss ma melara? >> yes. >> mr. league? >> yes. -- mr. leeg -- leigh. >> yes. >> no. >> i will look at the deviations. >> thank you. >> can i make a comment while at the look at the numbers? >> sure. i think the pop lore initially had either ben the four blocks between two and five as a way to clean the lines. so since those are not submitted as part of a neighborhood, i would suggest we
miss tidwell? >> discussion? >> i'm sorry. >> two points i believe it would be in range, it would be 4.97. >> you said discussion? >> yes. that's not a question though. we -- >> can we look at the layer of sequences defined? >> what does that have to do with this question? >> got it. >> there's no public submission for the boundry but we can look at the planning neighborhoods. this is the planning neighborhoods of sea cliff. would you like...
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tidwell put together, most of the neighborhoods were not in question when we made those changes with in those districts. the districts that really came up as part of that change that remade, i'm looking and district 7. we have debated very little except for those neighborhoods around the edges. >> my response would be that the criteria is that we can go to 5% for preserving recognized neighborhoods. i think what it shows is that the goal of our task force to the extent possible. for the sake of moving forward, maybe we wanted to warn them. >> i wanted to add we should not stay communities of interest. >> i am looking at the report from the 2002 redistricting task force. on this point, i thought the way they handled it worked really well. it was elegant. they had two different approaches. they focused on the district that exceeded the 1% between the 1 and 5%. they had two different techniques. one was to identify neighborhoods within the district but they kept intact and which caused a deviation greater than 1%. another approach was to identify neighborhoods in surrounding districts t
tidwell put together, most of the neighborhoods were not in question when we made those changes with in those districts. the districts that really came up as part of that change that remade, i'm looking and district 7. we have debated very little except for those neighborhoods around the edges. >> my response would be that the criteria is that we can go to 5% for preserving recognized neighborhoods. i think what it shows is that the goal of our task force to the extent possible. for the...
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miss tidwell? >> yes. >> please make this change. >> i do not have anymore, unless you want to walk through prove >> ms. tidwell? >> i just had a question on holiday plaza. if you could read the boundaries of that. the holiday plaza and cable car turnaround. >> there are 50 people on that? >> i would support putting that in three? >> the deviation is -- >> thank you. mr. schreiber? ms. mondejar? >> can i ask why you are doing this? >> that is the neighborhood. >> there is population there, so note. >> ms. lam? >> however we can add population, so, yes. >> ms. melara, mr. alonso? please make this change. >> point of order, we keep on doing what we are not supposed to do, and we have other items on the agenda, and i would love to do those, because i would like to get it tomorrow and not be tired. if we could move because we are not doing any significant pieces, this is based on the fact that we were told that we were not going to do anything that involved population. i have not proposed anything. and
miss tidwell? >> yes. >> please make this change. >> i do not have anymore, unless you want to walk through prove >> ms. tidwell? >> i just had a question on holiday plaza. if you could read the boundaries of that. the holiday plaza and cable car turnaround. >> there are 50 people on that? >> i would support putting that in three? >> the deviation is -- >> thank you. mr. schreiber? ms. mondejar? >> can i ask why you are doing this?...
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tidwell's outline of how she wanted us to look at whether we should list all of the district's based on the deviation or not. that is something we still need to talk about. >> we concluded we would do both. >> that is not a point. the point is that, this is something i mentioned earlier today, her question was whether we wanted to include, within that section, remember the sample -- the question is, i think we should concentrate on those that are a deviation larger or less than 1%.
tidwell's outline of how she wanted us to look at whether we should list all of the district's based on the deviation or not. that is something we still need to talk about. >> we concluded we would do both. >> that is not a point. the point is that, this is something i mentioned earlier today, her question was whether we wanted to include, within that section, remember the sample -- the question is, i think we should concentrate on those that are a deviation larger or less than 1%.
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tidwell? >> if we want to do the nopa one next. can we did the one block to be consistent? >> that block has a population of 176 people. >> she is just thinking, processing. >> deviation would be 2%. the deviation for district 1 would be -5.23%. >> i would prefer this. >> thank you. again, population of 176. aviation the district 5, 2.0. deviation of district 1, -5.23%. appreciate that there is another move for the late corridor.
tidwell? >> if we want to do the nopa one next. can we did the one block to be consistent? >> that block has a population of 176 people. >> she is just thinking, processing. >> deviation would be 2%. the deviation for district 1 would be -5.23%. >> i would prefer this. >> thank you. again, population of 176. aviation the district 5, 2.0. deviation of district 1, -5.23%. appreciate that there is another move for the late corridor.
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. >> miss tidwell, ms. mondejar, and members? >> i do not think is splitting apart in three different districts -- >> i have less concern. this is more of an impact in connection. and the need for the involvement of the supervisor. >> i am not opposed to having its supervisors. i think it makes this very neighborly. >> ms. melara?
. >> miss tidwell, ms. mondejar, and members? >> i do not think is splitting apart in three different districts -- >> i have less concern. this is more of an impact in connection. and the need for the involvement of the supervisor. >> i am not opposed to having its supervisors. i think it makes this very neighborly. >> ms. melara?
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tidwell: mr. mcdonnell: i mcdonnell: no, i know that you are pulling district 7. what else do you need? >> other than the vote, no. mr. mcdonnell: okay, excellent. ms. leigh? is there, for purposes of approving the final report, should we now go back to item 4, approve the map, come back and insert date, then approve the final report? ms. leigh: that would be my recommendation. mr. mcdonnell: thank you very much. >> the park is reminding you that you should take a final comment before we do this.
tidwell: mr. mcdonnell: i mcdonnell: no, i know that you are pulling district 7. what else do you need? >> other than the vote, no. mr. mcdonnell: okay, excellent. ms. leigh? is there, for purposes of approving the final report, should we now go back to item 4, approve the map, come back and insert date, then approve the final report? ms. leigh: that would be my recommendation. mr. mcdonnell: thank you very much. >> the park is reminding you that you should take a final comment...
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tidwell's outline of how she wanted us to look at whether we should list all of the district's based on the deviation or not. that is something we still need to talk about. >> we concluded we would do both. >> that is not a point. the point is that, this is something i mentioned earlier today, her question was whether we wanted to include, within that section, remember the sample -- the question is, i think we should concentrate on those that are a deviation larger or less than 1%. we would need to explain. >> we have not finished the outreach section. one element is or should the description of what we did rest in the report and the other is does this document -- >> that is for recommendation. >> this was in response. i wanted to say. >> call don. you will review this and incorporate it into the recommendations. >> i also submitted last week part of the process the outreach we did. i just wanted to say it was sent last week. >> i do not remember. >> it was still about ethnic media outreach where a said i listed the publications that we selected, i indicated the circulation to give a
tidwell's outline of how she wanted us to look at whether we should list all of the district's based on the deviation or not. that is something we still need to talk about. >> we concluded we would do both. >> that is not a point. the point is that, this is something i mentioned earlier today, her question was whether we wanted to include, within that section, remember the sample -- the question is, i think we should concentrate on those that are a deviation larger or less than 1%....
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tidwell? >> if we want to do the nopa one next. can we did the one block to be consistent? >> that block has a population of 176 people. >> she is just thinking, processing. >> deviation would be 2%. the deviation for district 1 would be -5.23%. >> i would prefer this. >> thank you. again, population of 176. aviation the district 5, 2.0. deviation of district 1, -5.23%. appreciate that there is another move for the late corridor. >> yes. >> yes. >>yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> no. >> yes. >> thank you. please make this change. lake st.. >> if we could start with the block between 25th and 26. >> that block has a population of 331 people bringing the deviation for district 12 - 4.78%, and the deviation of district two two -5.08%. >> can we look at the other side of lake st.? >> can i make one observation? i believe if we reversed our decision about the median strip, i think that what allowed us to stay within 5% and move the 64 people back to d2. we would be finished, i think. >> so proposed. >> i think this is actually two changes together the i am proposing. that we move this bl
tidwell? >> if we want to do the nopa one next. can we did the one block to be consistent? >> that block has a population of 176 people. >> she is just thinking, processing. >> deviation would be 2%. the deviation for district 1 would be -5.23%. >> i would prefer this. >> thank you. again, population of 176. aviation the district 5, 2.0. deviation of district 1, -5.23%. appreciate that there is another move for the late corridor. >> yes. >> yes....
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tidwell? is this what you describe as allowing fire to run its course and demand -- accomplish management objectives in your forests? you're the one responsible, sir. thank god for the firefighters who will come out and fight to save the community. thank god for the men and women who will stand in harm's way to stop this, but this should not be occurring right next to this forest. this is the lincoln national forest. and right next dore, the apatchies have about the same acreage of forest. with 14 people, they're able to clean their forests out. they're able to harvest the timber. when the fire gets to the indian reservation, it simply drops down on the ground and becomes a grass fire. the way that fires typically ran in new mexico and throughout the west. history shows us that in our forests we generally had somewhere between 50 and 100 trees per acre in the arid west on our forest lands. there were grassy savannah lands mostly with widely scattered trees. it never became more than a trass fi
tidwell? is this what you describe as allowing fire to run its course and demand -- accomplish management objectives in your forests? you're the one responsible, sir. thank god for the firefighters who will come out and fight to save the community. thank god for the men and women who will stand in harm's way to stop this, but this should not be occurring right next to this forest. this is the lincoln national forest. and right next dore, the apatchies have about the same acreage of forest. with...
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. >> member tidwell. >> there's your core mr. chairman. >> to welcome public comments on the minutes before we approve them. without objection with the usual gruff dra matt cal, minutes so approved. moving to item number three, reprufle of the remaining task force minutes. as you all know we have been meeting fever issuely, there are a number of minutes from a number of meetings that our clerk has not had a report to for approval. and so i entertain a motion to that end that we would delegate again final review and approval authority to the chair for the april 4, april 5, april 9, april 11 and april 14th meetings entertain the motion. >> so moved. >> is there a second? >> second. >> public comment on this item? hearing none. >> is this something that we can do? i'm not familiar with bodies doing this like this. >> we've determined this would be an appropriate process for the task force to approve its final minutes. >> without objection, thank you so much. one moment. public comment on the final draft map. and then, approve a fina
. >> member tidwell. >> there's your core mr. chairman. >> to welcome public comments on the minutes before we approve them. without objection with the usual gruff dra matt cal, minutes so approved. moving to item number three, reprufle of the remaining task force minutes. as you all know we have been meeting fever issuely, there are a number of minutes from a number of meetings that our clerk has not had a report to for approval. and so i entertain a motion to that end that...
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forest service tom tidwell. chief, good morning to you. what is the latest information on waldo canyon? at last word we understood it spanned 17,000 acres. >> well, that's correct. it's a little over 17,000 acres now. the crews made good progress on it yesterday. they are at 25% of the fires now contained. >> what kind of help are you getting? how much of the nation's firefighting air fleet is in colorado right now? >> we have close to almost 1300 people on this fire. we've been using the air fleet we need, air tankers, helicopter to support the firefighters on the ground. we've also brought in the military planes, c-130s working on this fire for the last few days. >> let's talk about some of the firefighting technology. you have talked recently in the news about the need to update air tankers and other firefighting equipment. what exactly is the problem? >> we've been bringing on additional air tankers this year. we current have 25 air tankers available. this also includes eight military planes and also one dc 10 we also use. in addition
forest service tom tidwell. chief, good morning to you. what is the latest information on waldo canyon? at last word we understood it spanned 17,000 acres. >> well, that's correct. it's a little over 17,000 acres now. the crews made good progress on it yesterday. they are at 25% of the fires now contained. >> what kind of help are you getting? how much of the nation's firefighting air fleet is in colorado right now? >> we have close to almost 1300 people on this fire. we've...
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she's from the university of maryland and went to tidwell in d.c.up, congratulations to her. ♪[ music ] >> donald trump's joining the all-contestants in the video song call me maybe. it was made to promote the pageant, they posted it on youtube yesterday and it had more than 100,000 views so far and what you saw is the only time he shows up in the video. >>> coming up, the federal government is trying to force the district to crack down on illegal immigrants. d.c.'s mayor and other city leaders are saying no way. find out why. >>> and remember this? a violent confronting a between a driver and bicyclist caught on camera. tonight, there has been an arrest in this case. the suspect is not used to being on this side of the law. >>> and it's the latest trend for runners. will running bare foot land you in the doctor's office? the experts are weighing in. . >>> in tonight's consumer alert, verizon is offering to buy out the 1700 workers hoping to avoid layoffs. most are call center employees and technicians. verizon is cutting costs to provide wire s
she's from the university of maryland and went to tidwell in d.c.up, congratulations to her. ♪[ music ] >> donald trump's joining the all-contestants in the video song call me maybe. it was made to promote the pageant, they posted it on youtube yesterday and it had more than 100,000 views so far and what you saw is the only time he shows up in the video. >>> coming up, the federal government is trying to force the district to crack down on illegal immigrants. d.c.'s mayor and...
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chief tom tidwell shared a statistic with me that in the u.s. >> yes. to growth and development. and so, you know, you are not going to stop it. but you can guide it and can you do it intelligently. and that was the subject matter of my book. it is called "growing a better america." focus on the word growing. we are going to grow. we can do it better. we can do it smarter. >> individuals, are you talking, you know, the big corporations, companies, developors? >> all of the above. absolutely all of the above. individuals can do things. question walk more. leave that car sitting. you can walk to the office if you're close enough or take -- walk the kids to school or whatever. i mean those are small things that we can do. this is america. we can do this. >> we're supposed to be able to do anything. >> that's right. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. really great to talk with you. >> fantastic. thank you. >> appreciate it. >> for the record, i met chuck leavell and he rocks. let us know what you think about today's face-to-face at c cnn.com/f fredr
chief tom tidwell shared a statistic with me that in the u.s. >> yes. to growth and development. and so, you know, you are not going to stop it. but you can guide it and can you do it intelligently. and that was the subject matter of my book. it is called "growing a better america." focus on the word growing. we are going to grow. we can do it better. we can do it smarter. >> individuals, are you talking, you know, the big corporations, companies, developors? >> all...
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forest service chief tom tidwell says the wildfires burning in new mexico and colorado now might not be so bad if earlier fighters had taken out some of the other growth. he blames environmental concerns for letting grass and deadwood stay in the forest. >> a tropical storm off the mexican coast is expected to become a hurricane. this tropical storm is about 400 miles southeast of the coast, but it's expected to make landfall by friday. a hurricane watch has been issued for the pacific coast. >>> also a new study suggesting children who are obese don't do as well in school. researchers at the university of missouri found that obese elementary school kids performed worse on math tests than kids who don't have weight problems. the author of the study says a connection between obesity and academics may have something to do with anxiety caused by a lack of social acceptance. >> eight minutes before 8:00. they will not break restaurant expecting to ask the city for a later last call. back in february lift lounge was ordered to stop alcohol sales at 11:30 p.m. on a series of late-night fig
forest service chief tom tidwell says the wildfires burning in new mexico and colorado now might not be so bad if earlier fighters had taken out some of the other growth. he blames environmental concerns for letting grass and deadwood stay in the forest. >> a tropical storm off the mexican coast is expected to become a hurricane. this tropical storm is about 400 miles southeast of the coast, but it's expected to make landfall by friday. a hurricane watch has been issued for the pacific...