was there a part of you that said we have to show at tiemsz mike was not that likable. even though he's been in so many different parts and played so many different roles and it came out of the roles where you were looking at the character and not tom hanks. was that an issue at all? >> no, i think what is thrilling about that, tom, in addition to being incredibly brilliant and skilled actor, we would-- >> i just looked at a camera when he said that. >> there is a charm. there is an appeal, so i knew an audience was going to follow him, just like people followed mike mcalary. people adored him or hated him. but they would follow him. i don't think a character has to be likable. i think a character has to be real. so it's-- if you can find a character who is real then you can find yourself inside of it. ultimately, what what i think "lucky guy" is go bis the guy who goes from a journey of trading his ambition in for grace after-- he becomes a better person. >> rose: the relationship between the two. >> the whole idea of the editor and the writer and how it shifts. we-- o