tierney and democracy in the middle east next. ♪ @c@f? she has a concussion. and fox news contributor judith miller, editor of a long board journal, senior fellow at the foundation for defense of democracies, and it's good to have you with us. let me begin with you. this report, in your judgment going to allay concerns, answer the questions that are posed about what happened to you is responsible. >> it's going to shut a lot of what a lot of the questions that you and other people have been asking repeatedly about benghazi. pinkerton, the man who is in charge of this is really experienced, seen all of the kind of excuses before. he knows how to assign blame. lou: do you agree, bill? >> i don't agree as much. i think washington certainly has a culture of covering for each other. i don't see that this report is pointing such stark figures. i expect there will be a lot of ops vacation on the int of who is actually responsible, and we won't see. in the wake of september 11th no one resigned and was fired. i don't expect any fee to be held to the fire from much sma

tierney, democracy, and the middle east next. ♪ ♪ lou: the state department sponsored report examiningtember 11th attack and the u.s. consulate in benghazi has been completed, and now all in secretary clinton's hands, for that matter, but the secretary will be allowed to testify before congress without -- about those findings or anything else because she has a concussion. joining us now populous a prize-winning journalist and fox is intruder, editor of a -- along were journal, a senior fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracy, and it is good to have you with us. let me begin with you. this report, is it, in your judgment, going to allay concerns, answer the questions that are posed about what happened and who is impossible for the events and benghazi? >> i am optimistic it will sell of light all of the questions that you and other people have been asking repeatedly about benghazi because pinkerton, the man who is in charge of this is really experienced. he has seen all of the kind of excuses before, and he knows how to assign blame. lou: do you agree? >> i don't agree as m

in my book, that's a bit of a government overreach and opening the door right for more tierney into people'ssonal and private lives. >> your position on this. >> thanks forking havin for hav, sean. i agree with katie. not a matter of just personal privacy and civil liberties, also a matter of business independence and allowing businesses to operate without intrusion from the government and being told what they need to do in order to take these preventives steps. so it seems like a lot of overreach both in private lives. i know a lot of people in law enforcement. they're doing just fine with the tools at their current disposal. >> we want to help them as much as possible. it has to be reasonable search and seizure. i think the way we achieve that is if they have a suspect, we have a system of checks and balances. we have a judiciary. they have the ability, katie, to go to court and request a tap on somebody's e-mails. >> right. >> etc. and text messaging and why would we want to put private companies in the middle of that? >> well, this is the thing. coming from a private company perspective,

one person's tierney is another person's early and reform. it is a to the excess of power used in a way that we approve and in some generations there's the to be in excess of power used in ways the we would fight to the death against. that's the way history has unfolded in history is on the right side of that. a second term, early second term president might be able to take from jefferson. one goes to louisiana which is jefferson understood the clock wasn't like a normal clock. it moved faster and asked the president's clock ticks even in the first term, everybody else in the system, the congressmen, senators, their clocks are ticking towards election. they have to face the voters again particularly in the second term presidents don't have to. so as presidents began to look longer, everyone else in the system begins to look more narrow and the wider the gap gets, the harder it is to get things done. so moving fast, doing things as quickly as you reasonably can is an important thing to do. the other is to depart from dogma. jefferson fundament

that could lead to tierney. this was seen as a check against that kind of tyranny, a deterrent if you will to a tyrannical federal leader who could try to take over the country. >> host: is there any question of self-defense are hunting? >> guest: very little. the amendment doesn't say anything about self-defense. if this is a well regulated militia being necessary to defend for the pre-state, the existing right shall not be infringed. >> guest: a lot of arguments over that over the years. in terms of the tyrannical government, what did the founders seem to be thinking of? >> guest: of course they were coming out of the experience of the war against the british, so obviously the attempt to impose tyranny with the british army was in their minds. but they've been through this a few years the confederation. >> host: a bit of everybody to massachusetts. >> guest: they did. they had troops traveled to answer the call to go fight. so they thought, you'll see there are quotations especially from john out of, who makes

that could lead to tyranny and this was seen as a check against that kind of tierney it had a deterrent if you will of the tyrannical federal leader who could try to take over the country. crusco was there any discussion of self-defense or -- >> guest: the amendment itself doesn't say anything about self-defense. it simply says the well regulated militia being necessary to be defensive of the free state, the right in other words the existing right already shall not be infringed. >> host: a lot of arguments over that. in terms of the tyrannical government, what did the founders seem to be thinking of? king george again or something -- >> guest: of course they were coming out of the experience of the war against the british so the attempt to impose tyranny with the british army was in their minds but they had been through the few years of the confederation. >> host: they had some trouble getting the troops to answer the call to go fight, so they thought you will see and quotations especially from john adams who makes it clear they were not trying to create a situation where individuals wh

tierney. mr. tierney: i thank the gentleman, mr. markey, for recognizing me at this point in time for the special order. you know, we did a little research, so we wouldn't stand up here, because i know both john and barney are sticklers for detail. so a little research, found a special order of some time ago when barney frank, congressman frank, came down to the floor basically to chastise one of the colleagues who had made a false claim during their special order. but what barney had to say at that point and i quote is, special orders are a time when members can fairly, freely say things without fear of contradiction because there's generally no one there. as you listen to many of the special orders, there's a very good reason why no one is here. no one ought to want to pay attention to them, closed quote. well, barney and john, today people ought to pay attention to what we're saying at this particular special order because you have both served the commonwealth of massachusetts and the united states for a long period of time ably

where that's a strange argument for saying we have to go through islamism in the third 30 years of tierneyand threat to the world to get out to the other side. maybe that's true. >> we only have five minutes here. >> or i don't see this to be the case is the notion that islamists will come to power in state egypt or palestinian authority and people say they didn't collect the garbage associate promised. so in a way that may operate in concord, massachusetts or madison, wisconsin, paul have an election and some other party will say we're going to do a better job of the mundane tasks of governance because that's not what the islamist parties are all about. the ayatollah khomeini said it well in the fact we didn't have a resolution to bring down the price of alan. they're not interested in these mundane speared there's no experience that i'm aware of of an islamist government saying you know what, times times that the new price one and were walking off the stage. either way, i don't think it's going to happen in turkey either. >> i actually agree with brad. i do not find terribly compelling t

because we certainly tried a lot of dictatorship and aligning the united states with tierney in the region that didn't work so i would like to hear your point of view my second point is the islamists. we're sort of using a very broad brush your because there are many different types of islamists in the region and certainly hezbollah shares very little with the muslim brotherhood. and watching i think how things are going in egypt and was mentioned quite a bit here because of its role in the region, the week that it carries, well, somebody who considers themselves a secular liberal i'm not too upset about the way things are going in egypt to but i'm not concerned about having mohamed morsi having to face millions of men increase egyptians in the street. i take note when they come to power and of a sudden the treaty with israel is not their number one priority. when they are not banning alcohol for the sake of the economy. so, when we talk about islamists i think we have to take note that some are different than others and some will naturally have to be more pragmatic if they will be in the