. >> how small are these alt-right and tifa groups. >> they're extremely small. we're talking about at many of these events, dozens of people, maybe hundreds or thousands nationwide. and they're -- the feed each other because they -- the far right shows up and then the far left shows up and then they throw things at each other. >> he media shows onbecause. >> you don't wasn't to -- the news is thing that happen so when these things happen you have to cover them. but the problem -- the challenge for the media is making them -- is contextualized them and not making these things seem like they're happening more often than the actually are. but they are happening. there was violence in ported against a journalist, a expressive live right of center journalist who writes for the online -- >> who is also gay. >> yes, and he is gay but because he is critical of antifa's activity shades said he has no right to cover us and they beat him up when he tried to videotape what they were doing. and antifa rejects the idea that people who disagree with them should have right orde

. >> how small are this at right and tifa groups. >> guest: i think they're extremely small. we're talking about -- at many events dozens of people, maybe hundreds or thousands nationwide. and they feed each other. the far right shows up and then the far left and then they drove things at each other. >> the media shows. >>> you don't want to -- news is things that happen so when these things happen you have to cover them. but the probable -- the challenge of the media is making them -- contextualizing them and not making these things seem liar they're happening more often than the actually are. but they are happening there was violence in portland against a journalist, a right of center journalist who write -- >> who is gay. >> right, but he is -- because he is critical of antifa activities they said he has no right to cover us and they actually beat him up when he tried to videotape what they were doing, and antifa rejects the idea that people who disagree with them should have right order the far slight have rights. >> you can watch the entire interview online at booktv.org