and tilden said no way are we going to do that. we were not going to resolve or resort to force. >> following the 2000 election i was at a small breakfast for one of the chief counsel of the parties and he was speaking on the election. he commented that it is not who votes the counts, it is to counts the votes that counts. [laughter] >> true in 2000, true in 1876. thanks, michael holt. [applause] >> on history bookshelf, here from the country's best-known american history writers of the past decade every saturday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. and you can watch any of our programs at any time when you visit our website, www.c-span.org/history. watching american history tv come off all week and every weekend on c-span3. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] knott, he, stephen talks about founding fathers alexander hamilton and george washington. he argues that the two had different person

this is -- i on't particularly like tilden. i admire his bequest to the new ork public library, but tilden received literally scores of telegrams and letters saying i can raise 5,000 troops tomorrow and we're going to march on washington and stall you at the point of the bayonet. scores of letters like this. there was talk of appointing civil war veterans, george mccleland, to lead the democratic army and march on washington and tilden said no. no way are we going to do that. i think it was his finest hour in this dispute that we were not going to result -- or row resort to armed force like that. >> following the 2000 election i was at a small breakfast where one of the chief council counsel for one of the parties was talking about the election. he commented that it is not who votes that counts. it's who who counts the votes that counts. >> good call. >> true in 2000, true in 1876. >> that's right. >> thanks, michael holt. >> ok. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national abl

. >> tilden is making a fortune representing railroads.> green's dealings with tilden brought him into democratic political circles. and soon, he was involved in new york city civic affairs. >> green becomes tilden's law partner and begins making a hefty salary. instead of marriage and children, he's devoted to work. but when tough times befall his family up in massachusetts, andrew returns temporarily to worcester to take charge. >> he was able to not just get the estate out of debt but make it prosper, as well. he became the patriarch of his family for the remainder of his life. >> great shot. is that the house? andrew figures the family home could use some extra rooms, 42 to be exact. one of those rooms is a museum showing off artifacts from the green family's history. >> there was a museum in the home for the family, not for the public. >> and how do you know that? >> this book is the story of the family and green hill. >> can i look? >> sure. >> so this is the story of the home 1754 to 1905. that's a lot of family history. >> mm-hmm.

where you had rutherford b hayes the republican running against samuel tilden the democrat. >> tilden was ahead, this was the post civil war reconstruction period. the republicans controlled the south. so what did they do? >> they basically telegraphed the people who counted the and they said change those votes. make those republican votes and not democratic votes. >> reporter: so one. >> literally, yes. >> necessaried with the vote. >> they messed with the vote. this was the one election in american history that was, that can be proven was stolen. >> so republican rutherford b hayes became our 19 president. >> you think it is terrible. well as a matter of fact, they do like dirty elections and they pay attention to dirty elections. >> proof? e was the most watched in tv history with 84 million viewers. >> donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that is absolutely proved over and over again. >> wrong. >> >> reporter: but donald trump never miss as chance to launch a full throated attack on the media. >> they are not reporting it. katie, you are not reporting it, katie. >>

defeated by the electoral college. 1824 with andrew jackson losing to john quincy adams. 1876 was samuel tilden losing to weatherford hayes. losing to benjamin harrison by 94,000 votes that important to mention here jackson and cleveland both came back and eventually won and in 2001 alcor losing to george w. bush despite beating him in the nationwide vote by 543 by 543,000 votes. research shows because of the electoral college a candidate could become president while only earning 22% of the popular vote. >> i remember that 1876 election. we were here all night that night. >> of course you do. [ laughter ] >>> paul ryan says donald trump achieved the most incredible vertical feet he has seen in his lifetime. he says trump helped republicans retain control of congress as well. >> there is no doubt our democracy can be very messy. and we do remain a sharply divided country. the divisions of a long campaign. >> paul ryan himself was reelected in a way last night as a representative from wisconsin. he has had a rocky initiative with donald trump taking one month to endorse him after trump was chosen

sam tilden, the democrat won, but he gave it up to rutherford b. hayes in exchange for taking the troops out of the south. back that far to find a margin that matches what happened this year. go back. i mean, this year of course there is not going to be a compromise of 1876. the clinton campaign apparently passed this week on a pitch from some academics who argued to them that they should challenge and force a recount in a handful of green states. candidate may try to fund the revotes. but nobody expect nice recounted results to change the overall winner in the electoral college. so now we are proceeding with i think what has to be seen as a lurking question in the background as to whether a popular vote loss this big, a loss bigger than anything we have seen in 140 years, we're left with this question of how that hangs over this next presidency. i mean, whether or not you think president governors or how he puts together his administration or what he perceives his mandate from the people, whether or not things, it is now awkward not to talk about

>> 1876, the haze/tilden compromise, the end of reconstruction.that we were human beings, that we were equal, elected senators, elected members of the house of representatives. we ran in the labor force. ten years, boom, the door is slammed shut. and what happened? the period called redemption. who was redeemed? the south. birth of jim crow, segregation, starting in the 1890s, separate car act in louisiana, the proliferation of racist images about black people, reducing the complexity of our humanity to syphers, culminating with the birth of a nation, shown where? the white house. by whom? the president of the united states, woodrow wilson. >> we always had heights and then immediately followed by these great depths. >> absolutely. except you and i, anyone in our generation, thought this cycle was over. that it would be impossible to repeat it. particularly after the election and re-election of the first black man in the white house. i don't know about you, but i was totally shocked. >> i was shocked and at the same time i was challenged because t

attacks, and they were betrayed by the democratic and republican parties, they made a deal, the hayes-tilden compromise. so many people were lynched. it was naked aggression on african-american families when that period happened. the other period is probably the 1960's, when we began to elect black mayors of major cities across america. it benefited the black middle class, for the most part. there was a huge black middle class the begin to grow because we began to see black folks with businesses who are making money. unfortunately, the folks who work in enriching themselves during this time it did not have a social and political context and did not use wealth to fund a movement to do other things to get us further along. when those things happened, the conditions of our community remained. we call it a 5% nation. the 85% went to the leaders. and some of those cities still have white leaders today because of the black backlash. even if you think of david dinkins in new york. people were not completely satisfied it is funny we talk about the system, and how flawed the system is, but we focus o

in 1876, you end up having samuel tilden with a 300,000 vote margin over hayes who ended up winning theoral college. in 2000, al gore had a 500,000 vote margin over george w. bush who won the electoral vote margin. now this is 2 million. significantly bigger. >> that divide between the electoral college and the popular vote is perhaps why some people will have an awkward thanksgiving holiday. >> i hope you don't have a -- have a knnonawkward one. >> me and my mom don't argue over anything because i won't see her, sadly, i'm working. >> take care. >> some of you may be talking politics and it could ruin your thanksgiving meal. once someone brings up the electoral college and you bring up the popular vote. then the next thing you know the potatoes are flying. >> just more tension in my household because of the election. >> i figured out long ago that it's best not to talk politics at the dinner table. >> but if you just can't resist, you just need to talk about it, we're going to, you know, map it out for you. people would ask me in different countries that we traveled, what is your natio

in 1824, when andrew jackson lost to john quincy adam and tilden lost to hayes and since then twice inin 2000 when al gore lost to george w. bush and this year. some vehemently reject calls to change the electoral college system and others say it's time to amend the constitution. it's been seriously proposed many times. in fact less than 50 years ago a resolution had it passed the final hurdle could have changed history. in 1969 legislators submitted a proposal to congress suggesting the direct election of a president and vice president. in cases where no candidate received more than 40% of the vote, a runoff would be required. the resolution was endorsed by president nixon, passed the house of representatives but was filibustered and killed in the senate the next year. had it passed, it would have been the first major constitutional change in the electoral vote system in more than 150 years. and it would have resulted in the election of the first female president in 2016. the correct answer to our gps challenge question was d, herbert hoover. hoover became the 31st president after ser

samuel tilden to rutherford b.hayes, grover cleveland to benjamin harrison. and, of course, al gore to geyer. to geyer. now consider this, almost 47% of eligible voters didn't vote last tuesday. the highest no-show rate since 1996. donald trump will be the first prid elective office nor empty military and milan i can't trump will be the second foreign-born first lady. the first was louisa adams, wife of john quincy adams she was born in england. it's a fact, the "washington post" says the number of visits to his fact checker site in this campaign season was five times political fact checker, john dickerson in washington for look what's ahead on "face the nation." good morning. >> dickerson: good morning, what's a trump administration going to look like we'll talk about that with former house speaker newt gingrich who is advising him. the democrats, what do they do next this we'll talk with bernie sanders about his new book and direction of the democratic party. >> pauley: thank you. next week here on "sunday morning." eat, drink, be merry the food issue. i ev

and this is, i hope, not forecasting what this year may bring us, but it is the year of the hayes tildenresidential contest, one of the most bitterly disputed in american history, that ended up hanging upon the disputed electoral ballots of south carolina, louisiana, and -- wait for it -- florida. it is the year of the publication in britain and the united states of the adventures of tom sawyer, and, of course, as i'm sure our distinguished panelists will elaborate upon, it's intriguing to see how those two grand meteors of 19th century american letters would intertwine themselves over time. most intriguingly, at least to me as an historian of the west, it is also the year in which george armstrong custer on june 25th of that year and then less than two months later "wild bill" hickok on august 2nd transformed to their realm in american mythology, entering the great pantheon of americans who are winners by virtue of being losers. certainly true of custer and, to a degree, i think, one could say that of hickok, as well, thousand i've never had and hope not to at any time in the near futur

samuel tilden the democrat wins the popular vote. hays the republican claims he's won florida.congress creates an electoral commission and the tie-breaking vote is cast by republican supreme court justice handing the election to the republican candidate. it was a dramatic story and that led to a congressional law being passed which determines how to resolve disputes today. two other occasions, one is 1824 which we talked about where adams wins even though he has lost both the electoral and the popular vote. the final one i forgot this but the national constitution center which you have to visit in philadelphia, this beautiful museum of we the people on independence hall with gorgeous copies of the constitution and bill of rights and declaration of independence as well as this beautiful educational center which you can learn about online with the interactive constitution, we have this great exhibit. the fourth example which i forgot until i went to the exhibit was grover cleveland running against benjamin harrison. cleveland narrowly wins popular vote by 1% or 2% but harrison ge

samuel tilden the democrat wins the popular vote. hays the republican claims he's won florida. so congress creates an electoral commission and the tie-breaking vote is cast by republican supreme court justice handing the election to the republican candidate. it was a dramatic story and that led to a congressional law being passed which determines how to resolve disputes today. two other occasions, one is 1824 which we talked about where adams wins even though he has lost both the electoral and the popular vote. the final one i forgot this but the national constitution center which you have to visit in philadelphia, this beautiful museum of we the people on independence hall with gorgeous copies of the constitution and bill of rights and declaration of independence as well as this beautiful educational center which you can learn about online with the interactive constitution, we have this great exhibit. the fourth example which i forgot until i went to the exhibit was grover cleveland running against benjamin harrison. cleveland narrowly wins popular vote by 1% or 2% but harriso

samuel tilden the democrat wins the popular vote. hays the republican claims he's won florida.o congress creates an electoral commission and the tie-breaking vote is cast by republican supreme court justice handing the election to the republican candidate. it was a dramatic story and that led to a congressional law being passed which determines how to resolve disputes today. two other occasions, one is 1824 which we talked about where adams wins even though he has lost both the electoral and the popular vote. the final one i forgot this but the national constitution center which you have to visit in philadelphia, this beautiful museum of we the people on independence hall with gorgeous copies of the constitution and bill of rights and declaration of independence as well as this beautiful educational center which you can learn about online with the interactive constitution, we have this great exhibit. the fourth example which i forgot until i went to the exhibit was grover cleveland running against benjamin harrison. cleveland narrowly wins popular vote by 1% or 2% but harrison