armstrong, my name is jeff tillotson. >> tillotson's done something usada's been unable to do. >> i remain only attorney to have taken sworn testimony from lance armstrong and to have had him to deny under oath with the penalty of perjury that he used performance-enhancing drugs. you understand that although we're in the conference room of your lawyers, you are giving testimony as if you are in a court of law, do you understand that? >> correct. >> and that penalties of perjury attach to this deposition just like they would to a court of law proceeding? >> of course. >> did you, in fact -- >> these sworn depositions from lance armstrong and other key witnesses laid the foundation for later investigations, including usada's. and as those investigations progressed, the legend of lance armstrong began to unravel. >> on the right side of these riders. >> like most riders, lance armstrong dreamed of winning the tour de france, cycling's most prestigious race. >> lance armstrong! >> in his first tour, he won a stage. but three years later, it looked like his dream had died. in this film for his

unitedhealthcare. >>> joining me on the phone is jeffrey tillotson.he only person that's interviewed lance armstrong under oath. he represents a company called sca promotions. it's a sports insurance company. they were forced to pay lance armstrong $12.5 million in bonuses for winning the tour de france in 2002, 2003 and 2004. thanks very much. i appreciate your calling in and talking to us so late in the evening. you watched this interview. you have interviewed lance armstrong under oath. what did you think about tonight? all right. looks like we just lost that. but i promise, everyone, we'll get it back. i want to go back here to dana and david who are with me. obviously, very excited to talk to him because $12.5 million basically had to bet that he would not win and then when he won would actually have to pay him out for that money. this is something that is a big part of the story, though. that he admitted that day in the day when he lost the nike contract, it was like the world fell apart. this guy might not have any money. >> well, and everybody

this quote from tillotson. the global free market for energy provides the most effective means of achieving u.s. energy security. the theory. does not really matter where you get oil from this one is to give more oil and put it in the bathtub and we have more supply. in the global market the nationality of the resources of little relevance. energy made in america is not as important as energy being simply made wherever is most economic. >> shrek. >> exxon mobil has carried that message for a long time. it goes back to raiment. tillotson. obviously communicating it to a lot of the republican allies. that point. lobbying is heavily skewed to the republicans and the party. yet that is not the message you are hearing from politician today. you're hearing a very almost resource nationalist approach to u.s. domestic energy production. >> and exxon mobile is not too embarrassed to join in that. >> right. right. i guess it is kind of shocking to me. i'm asking for an explanation here. how can this all-powerful company