tim carney from the washington examiner. chrystia freeland, reuters editor at large. frame chapter two, the post-osama chapter of america's war on terror. >> we're at a pivot point. the first generation is demised, is don this is the end of it. we chopped off the head and we've now proliferated it to a much lower level but a larger level. we have the likes of awlaki and others who have taken up the cause in many ways. while they may not be planning large events, they're much more effective in understanding us, our society and i think moving forward with things like "inspire" magazine and trying to encourage folks like major hassan and shashad to make things difficult for days to come. >> nobody understands better the physical mechanics of getting helicopters into pakistan and actually what happened in that 40-minute time period as it is something you, yourself, have both practiced and counseled to. did they, in fact, build a model compound and practice in a second facility? in other words, how did this happen? >> they essentially from what my guys told me today did bu