oh, with me now, washington examiner editor, tim carney. i know it will be a crowded democrat field for 2020. but a hillary run would be so delicious, will it happen? >> well, here is the thing, you can never rule it out, if you remember, go to 2000 it i go tor she lost against obama she said there was a zero chance she would run again, but she did, she believes it is her right to be president. here is the thing, her whole inner circle is trying to talk her out of it, she wants -- >> i think you are right, what podesta goes on cnn and says she is not running. she won by 3 million votes, she is not running, i think that is wishful thinking on her part, she wakes up every morning she is bill clinton tell themselves we're so amazing we're so much better than anyone else, and they owe u.s us a debt of gratie you. >> are right, and donna brazile, who was in the inner circle, started on day one, i think this december after she lost doing all she could to get out there how bad a candidate hillary was, now podesta who could hardly be closer than an