hacker war so is hacking the lucrative field of the future to talk more about this i'm joined by tim carr senior director of strategy for free press welcomes tim so it seems like hackers are in demand these days well you know i think the cyber security industry is one of the few growth industries left right now the government needs to hire at least ten thousand cyber security experts in the near future and there are estimates that. history itself needs to hire nearly four times that so so as we see hear more about groups like anonymous and there's been this tendency of the cyber security industry to respond to use examples of hacking as a justification for the growth of their business and for more clients to take them on and so that's exactly what they are expanding and making sure that they are fighting against the rats hacking their wheedle concerns with companies turning to hacking themselves in order to combat this there are legal concerns i mean there are aspects of hacking that are are legal and what these groups have done what these companies have done as you've mentioned the cyber

tim carr senior director for strategy for free press. well better watch what you do because big brother could be watching you cities across the country are installing high tech street lights that watch you and even talk back to keep you in line telling people to leave the area or pick up their litter now opponents of this technology say it's all in the name of safety and security but is this big brother on steroids are these on a saucy a turkey night floors. watched observed surveillance in everyday reality for americans i'd be interested to see any kind of stuff the statistics on what crimes are actually being pro prevented and how measurably we're actually any safer than we than we we were before we had cameras on every street corner. the windy city of chicago is a record holder of security cameras in the us a tens of thousands we will put up with anything and we have people putting chips into their dogs and cats to see if they're lost people talk about doing it to their kids and you know what we're living in a surveillance state does