the iceberg in terms of their spying with this prison program coming out in the horizon records tim clemente who is an ex f.b.i. agent came on c.n.n. about week or two ago and he said that the any digital data wasn't wasn't safe and that the intelligence community f.b.i. had ways of getting back to it and he was specifically talking about that phone call between one of the tomorrow of brothers and his wife. and if his wife didn't tell the f.b.i. what they talked about in that phone call that they had ways of getting back to that and transcribing and getting that information so that's telling you what they've got recorded then the extent of and the digital data means all kinds of e-mail all kinds of twitter kind of things and the thing going across the fiber optic lines as well as the public switch telephone network so we're not talking billions of pieces of information here are we are talking truly talking to my phone calls and e-mails jointly would be on the order of twenty trillion for the last twelve years how can we even manage that sort of thing they're saying with this present program

the iceberg in terms of their spying with this prison program coming out in the horizon records tim clemente you who is an ex f.b.i. agent came on c.n.n. about week or two ago and he said that any digital data wasn't wasn't safe and that the intelligence community f.b.i. had ways of getting back to it and he was specifically talking about the phone call between one of the marrow of brothers and his wife and that if his wife didn't tell the f.b.i. what they talked about in that phone call that they had ways of getting back to that and transcribing and getting that information so that's telling you what they've got recorded then the extent of and the digital data means all kinds of e-mail all kinds of twitter kind of things and anything going across the fiber optic lines as well as the public switched telephone network so we're not talking billions of pieces of information here are we talking truly docking to my phone calls and e-mails jointly would be on the order of twenty trillion for the last twelve years how can we even manage that sort of thing they're saying with this present program fo

the iceberg in terms of their spying with this prison program coming out in the horizon records tim clemente who is an ex f.b.i. agent came on c.n.n. about week or two ago and he said that any digital data wasn't wasn't safe and that the intelligence community f.b.i. had ways of getting back to it and he was specifically talking about that phone call between one of the marrow of brothers and his wife and that if his wife didn't tell the f.b.i. what they talked about in that phone call that they had ways of getting back to that and transcribing and getting that information so that's telling you what they've got recorded then the extent of and the digital data means all kinds of e-mail all kinds of twitter kind of things and the thing going across the fiber optic lines as well as the public switch telephone network so we're not talking billions of pieces of information here are we talking truly talking to my phone calls and e-mails jointly would be on the order of twenty trillion for the last twelve years how can we even manage that sort of thing they're saying with this present program for in

. >> the x fbi agent, tim clemente wh he was intervied on cnn aboua week and a half ago, he said no digital comnicatis were safe d that they will ha a way of getting back to the communications between one o the bombers a his wife. >> you knoww an is we have -- and it's been fascinating listening toou take us through this. and try as best can t corehend part at least of what you're talking about in t architecture of the erations of the agcy and intelligence, signal intelligence. let me ask you this. do you not -- and you were talkg about these nodes that are created by a series of connections whether they be communication between a jihad dist and someone in this country, whether they be subsequent communicaon. of the you make of an event in united stes complaining might lit about cyber attacks es in the cap, the southern california desert with president xi jinpi for a twday summit, cyber attas against the united ates to be a large agenda item, tough talk from the president, his administration, and suddenly that two-day summit is vaporized by someone by the name of eard snowden. and his revel

the iceberg in terms of their spying with this prison program coming out in the horizon records tim clemente who is an ex f.b.i. agent came on c.n.n. about a week or two ago and he said that the any digital data wasn't wasn't safe and that the intelligence community f.b.i. had ways of getting back to it and he was specifically talking about that phone call between one of the time era of brothers and his wife. and if his wife didn't tell the f.b.i. what they talked about in that phone call that they had ways of getting back to that and transcribing and getting that information so that's telling you what they've got recorded then the extent of a digital data means all kinds of e-mail all kinds of twitter kind of things and anything going across the fiber optic lines as well as the public switch telephone network so we're not talking billions of pieces of information here are we talking truly talking to my phone calls and e-mails jointly would be on the order of twenty trillion for the last twelve years how can we even manage that sort of thing they're saying with this present program for insta

one is the tim clemente when on cnn, he talked about the ability to go back and get phone conversations. he's talking about all that information is collected and stored and from it they can pick and target anyone they want. >> john: now isn't the agency under the statute that created it supposed to focus purely and clearly on overseas communication, not domestic. >> that's correct. >> john: and mr. clapper was emphatic in telling congress they were not collecting communications from americans. >> yes and that's false. >> john: and is there anything about the prism program illegal? does the law allow this kind of data mining. >> no, because it's talking about collecting everything off the internet, that includes americans' communication as well. they're easeily detectable and identifiable as americans. >> john: get please. >> the fisa, even when they go to verizon order from the fisa court judge, that was an order to turn over all their call records, that included every u.s. citizen that was part--has a verizon phone. the fisa court is called the foreign intelligence court. this is domes

the iceberg in terms of their spying with this prison program coming out in the horizon records tim clemente who is an ex f.b.i. agent came on c.n.n. about a week or two ago and he said that any digital data wasn't wasn't saying.

if you do it electronically, i mean, after all, tim clement e exfbi agent said no digital communications to build storage facilities like utah because they are collecting so much data they have to store it somewhere. >> that's unbelievable. who knows what that data will be used for in the future which is really scary. thanks a lot. >> this is the real fear i had. they could use that to map out the tea party and then target them using the irs. i mean, this is really a danger to our democracy. >> we have learned they are willing to do things like that. thanks a lot for that inside view of the nsa. that was really interesting and chilling. >> thank you for having me. >> 12 minutes after the hour now. will the mother of a second child in desperate need of a lung transplant coming forward with their story. what she has to say about the new policy that could cost her child his life. >> and the president tells his staff no lobbyists in this white house but how about the other way around? how his former staffers are now getting rich from their connections to the obama administration. details ahe