tim dolan of new york. cardinal dolan. i think if you are a monitor or progressive that there will be changes. there has to be a clean-up of the scandal. i think there has to be some modification in terms of the position on birth control so they can regain, as we say in politics, traction. where people begin to listen again on these matters of sexual conduct. i think it is important they do both these things. clean up the mess with regard to exploitation of altar boys, let's be honest. and come back it marriage and what marriage is really about. marriage is not just about having children. it is about a loving relationship, hopefully for life, and understanding the role that birth controls plays in that is important. >> i saw your show yesterday with great analysis and with whether or not priests should be allowed to marry. as part of the conversation. >> use the right word, you used the right word, again. >> yes, again. many people don't realize that this is a new phenomenon of priests not mare rig. but the archdiocese agr

let's take a look at tim dolan, what the cardinal from this city did. the archbishop from new york.e spoke about the new focus on the poor that's ushered in by the selection of this new pope, francis. let's listen to him, local cardinal here. >> you can't sit in the sistine chapel underneath michelangelo's judgment. all who are good to the poor, come to heaven, all of you who turn your back on the poor, literally go to hell, okay? to elect a man who just radiated that sense of loving embrace of the poor, that was very important. >> sell it. >> he has something -- >> tim dolan -- >> there's a word in spanish. it translates as love. what it means, it means affection, it means warmth. it's something you would feel toward your grandfather or very trusted friend or something like that. he has that. and, you know, it's a connection, the little that we know about him, the way he strikes so many, particularly among hispanics, he has that. as pope, with that connection, that's going to make him a superstar. pope john xxiii, he had it. >> john paul connected with people. he connected -- >> i'

shawn o'malley or tim dolan from new york, the new york archbishop, pretty unlikely, but it's possibleope might be able to come in and tackle the sex abuse scandal which is one of the big things they're going to have to deal with. perhaps the austrian archbishop, brianna, he's taken a top line on this. but there are about ten different cardinals, argentine in a, brazil, peter turkson from africa, from ghana, so it's a wide open field. it's interesting because you need a super majority, 2/3. 77 votes. so it's going to be someone who is a compromise candidate probably. someone who appeals to various different sections of the cardinals, not someone who is an outright favorite. i think someone who's a compromise candidate. that leaves it wide open. >> they certainly have their work cut out for them as this abuse case is raising questions at the vatican. dan rivers for us in rome. thank you for that. >>> former south african president nelson mandela is back in the hospital. officials say it's just for a routine checkup though. the 94-year-old civil rights icon was hospitalized back in decem

we caught up with tim dolan in the outskirts of rome today. earlier in the week he said the cardinals were not ready to vote and now they are and he is eager to get it over with. >> this is the life of the church sunday mass is so important that i am eager to get into the pope and get back home. i am running out of stocks. >> cardinal shawn o'malley of boston is gaining traction considerable traction with the italian public. o'malley blast off suggestion that he could be the next pope saying he planned to wear the brown cassic of his order for a lifetime. here's what he had to say about this week's conclave. >> let us pray the holy spirit choose a new pope who will confirm us in our faith. >> meanwhile we bought a peak inside the sistine chapel be transformed with the voting place with the cardinals workmen have been running around will be set up with the cardinal electors. this jeweler who says he may be lucky enough to ask to make the new pope's fisherman's ring which will incorporate the code of arms. finally about the speculation in harris

there was talk that maybe you'd get a cardinal, tim dolan, the head of the new york diocese, who would do that. oh, are you going to go to boehner guys or are we going to go to the pope? house speaker boehner is speaking. let's keep an eye on the pope on the right. >> this is going to be tight. >> -- balancing the budget. what do we do to get our economy moving again? republicans want to balance the budget. the president doesn't. republicans want to solve our long-term debt problem, the president doesn't. we want to unlock our energy resources, to put more americans back to work, the president doesn't. but having said that, today was a good start. and i hope that these kinds of discussions can continue, even though we have very real differences, our job is to find common ground, to do the work the american people sent us here to do. >> all right, now we see the new pope, as he emerges, we wait for -- what you're going to get here first is the cardinal deacon, who is -- [ speaking latin ] >> if you're just joining us. we have a new pope. it is the argentinian, the first in history, lati

we caught up with tim dolan in new york as he was giving mass on the outskirts of rome today. he said earlier in the week the cardinals were not ready to vote and now they are and he is eeg tower gager to get it with. >> i'm so happy to be here, i'm ready to get to work and get a new pope. i'm running out of socks. >> cardinal sean o'mally of boston is gaining considerable traction with them. and he laughed off suggestions he could be the next pope saying he planned to wear the brown of his order for a lifetime. and here is what he had to say about the conclave. >> let us pray that the holy spirit to choose a new pope who will confirm us in our faith and-- >> meanwhile, we got a peek inside the sistene chapel this weekend, it's being transformed into a voting place for the cardinals. workmen have been running around michelangelo's famed painting, and this is rome's rapt suspense waiting for the conclave and this jeweler hoping he'll be lucky enough to make the pontiff's new coat of arms and among the speculation, the italian papers are talking about two camps in terms of the e

. >> it's striking, you know, when you see tim dolan's face he's got a belly laugh on it. on he seems to be struck by the awesomeness of the moment. >> he does. >> let's listen in. [ speaking latin ] >> a -- >> so those of us from the united states from new york, are we kidding ourselves? you've been allowing us build up a measure of enthusiasm, john. i want going to take it up now during coverage. >> the reality of the situation is in a field without a clear front-runn front-runner, you've got three, four candidates that could have strong support in early rounds one plausible scenario here is that none of the three or four candidates looks like they'll. >> to the 2/3 of the vote. all options are on the table. >> this cardinal's costume, what does it designate? >> a cardinal from india, represents one of the eastern right churches there are 22 so-called eastern right churches in full communion with rome. they are local to the pope and the vestments that you see represent the eastern church. >> vestments. i said costume. i'm trying to balance the secular and religious. i'm

someone's name who has come up is cardinal tim dolan of new york.y made a cardinal a few years ago. i asked him if he thinks that they're ready to break from tradition and elect a pope from another continent like an african pope. >> we're always open to the radical and usually with 20/20 hindsight, with the vision that 20/20 vision that hindsight provides. that's vision. and remember when pope john paul died, and we had something different with the john paul ii and the beautiful pontificate and could be more unexpected? could be. >> reporter: now, dolan says when you talk about tradition, the first pope of all, jamie, of course, peter, was a jewish fisherman, so, tradition is something that is kind of relative. but there are several candidates from pretty much every continent and again, people are wondering whether it might be a latin american, an american or whether it will continue to be another european, jamie. >> jamie: of course we won't know until the smoke comes out. thanks so much, amy. and did you know over the past century the number of ca

. >> obviously tim dolan. i think he's a great guy and i think he's been a great leader in new york. i want to say something about the pope we all liked, that was pope john paul ii. when i went to his funeral, the most amazing week and a half. i have to tell you something really spiritual happened. there was the wonderful music at night. we watched five million people walk through the line there. it made me a lot of romans. the reason all the romans were there is because pope john paul ii would go around every weekend, and have dinner with the local parish priests and then he would have mass, meet with the kids in the school hall and he would say a mass. say a mass at the big church the next day. he did about 150 of these, he almost made the entire number of parishes in rome. in other words he took seriously the pastoral law of a pope. he was bishop of rome. he thought it was important to do that every single weekend. like tip o'neill in a way, some guy who thought it was very important to stay connected to th

the world saw tim dolan and sean o'mall lit way we know them in boston and new york. >> raymond flynnsador to the vatican, former mayor of boston. happy st. patrick's day to you, sir. >> thank you. i was waiting for you to say that. >> it is actually tomorrow. >> well, happy st. patrick's day is three weeks in boston. >> that's -- and in new york city as well. and folks, we will have full coverage of tuesday's installation mass live from the vatican right here on msnbc. >>> jeb bush has been a leader in the gop on immigration. we are going to talk to a new congressman from the sunshine state about what's next on that issue. >>> and next, he rides the bus, he cooks his own meals, but is francis going to be a pope of the people? i'm going to give you some of my insights it's the thought bubble. you're watching msnbc. today is gonna be an important day for us. you ready? we wanna be our brother's keeper. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. how bout ya, joe? let's go ahead and bring it online. attention on site, attention on site. now starting unit nine. some of t

you may recognize tim dolan the cardinal from the new york area.nal from the d.c. area. they were both elevated in 2012. you wonder if they will vote as a block, if they will sort of get together and decide who they want to support. it's going to be really interesting. i think there is so much hope for somebody -- bill: oftentimes i like even it to a fraternity. when you socialize you try and influence toward one person perhaps away from another or maybe even be on your own behalf. all this is possible now as they get together and decide the next leader. do you like sweet sistine. martha: or the animal house reference better as to what is happening in rome. bill: four minutes past the hour. potentially ground-breaking medical achievement. doctors claiming they have, quote, cured a baby born with hiv. jaime colby live here now with more. what do we know about the baby,. jamie: knee. >> it's exciting news to say the least, bill, but her hiv mom didn't have proper prenatal care and didn't even know she was hiv positive. in this case not wanting to wai

they would like to see take the post according to cardinal tim dolan from new york who we spoke to this morning. >> i will say to some of the cardinals whom i feel very comfortable with, i will say what is your read on him? have you ever gotten to know him? what's your, what does your gut tell you about such and such a man? we don't need to apologize for that. i think god's people would want us to do that. i think the holy spirit wants us to do that. i think the protocol of the church wants us to do that. that goes on. no campaigning, no posturing, but kind of a very realistic way to try to get to know one another better. >> reporter: bill, this will be cardinal dolan's first conclave. this is what he expects it will all be like. some people suggested he could be the nextcardnal but he says i thinks that is not likely, bill. bill: all the way from 5th avenue. we'll see soon. what is the pope emeritus doing on his first full day of retirement, amy? >> reporter: bill, apparently he, after all was said and done he watched three foreign television net, would. the vatican would not say which

and, you know, there's always going to be differences of opinion, but i think as tim dolan said, youh has a lot to do, a lot more work to do, and i think this pope, pope francis, is trying to do that with his message of humility, particularly, his message of forgiveness. i think in all my years in politics, i think this is one of the most extraordinary easter sundays in terms of the catholic church reaching out to people who probably didn't feel that they were welcome in the church. but i think they're seeing that there is a message of the catholic church really welcoming them back home. >> former u.s. ambassador to the vatican, raymond flynn, we will leave it there, sir. thank you. >> thank you, craig. >>> someone else at the white house is dressing up like an easter bunny tomorrow. wait until you hear who, next. >>> also, coming up, how much credit does ellen deserve for the sea change on same-sex marriage in this country? you're watching msnbc. vo: from the classic lines to the elegant trim in each and every piece, bold will make your reality a dream. when the doctor told me that