our guest is tim draper, chairman and founding partner of draper and associates and ds j venture capitaluch for joining us. tim. thanks for having me. steven: you are man who likes to take on risk when others are running from it. as the world knowledge forum says, the pandemonium that's happening right now. what is your take on risk? >> what you're really talking about is the markets are falling today because the interest rates went up. that's because we have a centralized fed and they are determining whether it should go up or down. they always kind of overcompensate and do it wrong or right or whatever. bitcoinre all a economy, we wouldn't have any of those problems. stephen: that's where your next risk is. i believe 27 of the companies invested in have become unicorns. are you still as optimistic about the big one realm -- bitcoin realm, now that we are seeing a selloff? tough, whenings are there is political turmoil, bitcoin does well, because people say, i'm not so sure about my government, my tribe, whatever it is, tied to some artificial geographic border. i might like this decent