we're back with tim heaphy. at it was. can you take us inside that day. >> a little bit. this is an area where i have to be somewhat careful because as a lawyer who represented clients, i to have keep their internal deliberations confidential. i can tell you my perspective is that we had a witness who had very pertinent information who was in danger, who had already received a great deal pressure to say certain things and not say other thing, all of which she had told us about. an investigation undergoing great scrutiny that would be unlikely to keep that information confidential for very long. and the combination of those things led to the decision to put cassidy hutchinson on in a hearing earlier than anticipated by herself. we always knew she'd be important. one of the oldest investigative tools is if witness a doesn't talk to you then you talk to other people who were close to witness a about the things that witness a knows and the things that witness a did and here mark meadows wouldn't talk to us so we talk

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