rush, research analyst at oppenheimer he maintains a buy rating and a price target of $191, and tim higgins and a cnbc contributor tim, why did this -- did these quotes about the hemorrhaging cash take so long to come out? >> they doled it out as slowly as they did. i think their idea was they were more interested in the excitement of products and this isa side note that that's why they're curious about what's going on and austin could become the next manufacturing helm which hurt tesla in the past bringing out the model 3 and almost putting the company interest bankruptcy. >> the tesla club of silicon valley meeting in austin, texas, go figure. but at any rate they're burning capital. colin, should -- is this necessarily unexpected obviously, when you're ramping up a new factory, indeed, two of them in europe on the one hand and china on the other, there are huge, huge capital costs and certainly expectable hair balls. >> i think first, we need to put this in context. elon musk is not afraid of hyperbole over the course of years. saying that reaction from a particular audience is not a hug