tim joseph, frank rochelle, bill blazinzki. call to arms nearly a half century ago from different backgrounds, about to share an experience that would change each of their lives at edson arsenal military base. >> several doctors came and gave a presentation. >> they presented it as not everyone would be chosen. >> there would be a guaranteed three-day pass every weekend. >> three-day passes are the rule. >> no guard duty, no kitchen police. >> this is what we filled out. they asked you about your criminal background, if you drank, asked you about your parents and brothers and sisters, silly questions, did you like your mother better than you did your father? >> i took the test and got chosen and you got a couple days off at home and reported to edgewood for two months. >> when you got chosen, were you excited? >> yes. i was glad to go. it was like a plum assignment. you would get all the weekends off. the idea was they would test new army field jackets, clothing, weapons things of that nature. no mention of any drugs or chemica

tim josephs and frank rachelle and bill blynnski. called to arms half a century ago from different backgrounds but about to share an experience that would change each of their lives at edgewood arsenal military base in maryland. >> a couple of doctors came and gave a presentation. >> they presented it as not everyone would be chosen. >> three-day passes are the rule. >> no duties. no guard duty. no kitchen police. >> this is what we filled out. they ask you about your criminal background. they ask you if you drank and ask you about your parents and they ask you about your brother and your sisters. silly questions like did you like your mother better than you did your father. i took the test and got chosen and you got a couple of days off at home and reported to edgewood for two months. >> when you got chosen, were you excited? >> yes, i was glad to go. it was like a plum assignment. you would get all of the weekends off and the idea was they would test new army field jackets, clothing. weapons. things of that nature but no mention of

tim kaine with the hudson institute. josephdirector of research for the committee of economic development. is there a case when you consider the huge amount of red tape and all the forms you have to fill out? all that kind of thing, is there a case important the smaller and medi medium-sized businesses not to take tax breaks? >> a huge case. i say that as a economist and i started a couple of companies. that's the biggest frustration i had and i have -- heard that as well when i surveyed economists. we understand congress is trying to do something good for us. but we don't have time. you have to make the next sale and try to pay your workers and so there are all these goodies and turns out usually it costs more to try to figure out what you can get the benefit for than you get the benefit for. >> you think any of this -- if companies are not taking the tax break that they would qualify for any of it have to do with politics? some businesses, as we know, have been paraded in front of capitol hill, on capitol hill, or they have b

joseph: aye. commissioner lee: aye. commissioner tan: aye. president newlin: aye. the item is continued to the call of the chair. item 5c, tim eicher, the edge, 4149 18th st., place of entertainment permit. >> the edge is a 49-person occupancy bar in the castro. the operator currently holds a limited performance permit, which you may remember granting earlier this year. the operator got that while the conditional use process was pending. on june 14, the planning commission approved the space. it is attached in your packet. staff has received documentation of concerns from the public. we receive letters of support from the market from the castro and neighborhood valley neighborhood association. sfpd propose 11 additional conditions. >> i am one of the owners. our occupancy is 95, so the aids is three months region -- the edge is very much a community bar. we oppose the number of we did host a number of organizations, -- we hosted a number of organizations. the edge has a history of entertainment, including many years of fund-raisers and contests. prior to 2004, many venues operated with entertainment, even though many of them

tim geithner and dr. summers was at the white house at that time. >> could you please put up slide six? this is joseph house. his e-mail reporting that you made progress discussing our proposal with key folks at the treasury and white house and is not yet wrapped up his coordination. this would be the issue of the pensions. pbgc's e-mails indicating we have several, including this one, that indicate your role as on the auto task force of coordinating the issue of the pensions. do you disagree with this e-mail? >> i don't disagree i was the coordinator or facilitator of those issues. i think that's accurate. >> then what was your role that you just said a minute ago you didn't have one? >> i think you asked whether i was a decision maker. i was not a decision maker. >> i asked you to describe what your role was. will you describe that role? >> i was the facilitator, coordinator of issues between general motors and pbgc and other roles regarding the delphi pension issues. >> and how does that role assist or effect pbgc and its participation in the bankruptcy process and in the decision affecting the pen