tim kandel former face of a director of former president. at great to have you with us and i have so many questions for you where do we start. right so obviously during this pandemic radar screen time on social media is way up i mean do you think that this increase in usage will be permanent or are we going to sort of when else once we're allowed to freely roam again. it's hard to argue predict the future. i mean i think we've seen a surge coroutine doing this because people don't have alternatives right. they don't leave their houses off and they're clearly not merely a social. is that used to be and not by social i mean physically socially like going over to each other's houses or meeting up places. so i guess i'm optimistic that i think that it will reduce to some degree once once once you get through this craziness of corn t.v. so this is social dilemma documentary which is dedicated to this threat. that is social media says that internet companies are using technology to complete to compete for our attention which they then sell to adve

tim kandel former director of lynch's ation former president of contrasts and the moment after great to have you with us and i have so many questions for you where do we start. right so obviously during this pandemic radar screen time on social media is way do you think that this increase in usage will be permanent. or are we going to sort of when else once we're allowed to freely around again. it's hard to argue predict the future. i mean i think that we've seen a surge during the korean team during this pandemic because people don't have alternatives right they can they don't leave their houses off and they're clearly not nearly as social as they as they used to be and that by social i mean physically social like going over to each other's houses or meeting up places. so i guess i'm optimistic that i think that it will it will reduce to some degree once once once we get through this craziness of corn teaming so this is social dilemma documentary which is dedicated to the threat that is social media says that internet.

we're back with tim kandel former facebook director of lunches ation next president of contrasts and c.e.o. of mom and app team so tell me so that we know what are the most sophisticated tills stat keep users on the hill i mean are engineers in a big tech consciously using your scientific knowledge to keep us in gauged. no i i i mean i think part of what is scary is that there really are cumin beings on the other side of of of these services right it's really an algorithm that's not very well in my opinion not very well supervised that is being given an instruction which is make him spend more time on the service tomorrow you have this universe of billions of pieces of content he's got a couple 100 friends they're publishing content let's figure out what to put in front of him that's going to get him sucked in and we also have push notifications and we can play with the time of day that we send those push notifications to him and if things get really bad we have his phone number so we can text message him in what really bad i mean he hasn't come back for a few days when i go off a sp