clarity to defrock him if he by a miracle wins his appear you can reinstate him can't you i mean tim lemon president of the survivors network of those abused by priests i'm sure you know him as well as pelle should have been immediately defrocked makes me speechless he said that they've kept him as a cardinal that means he's the prince of the church the 3rd highest ranking member so now we're faced with a situation where survivors have to rely on civil courts to achieve justice because we have not seen that within the church about because of if there is a conviction he will certainly be defrocked this is my conviction and you've condemned very strongly sexual abuse in the catholic church but you some of your comments appear to watered down your condemnation by pointing out that this kind of abuse is rife in many other parts of society you said on one interview i follow the situation in the us and of late you have accusations against all kinds of religious leaders from different religious denominations the boy scouts and sports teachers university professors medical doctors psychologists po

clarity to defrock him if he by a miracle wins his appear you can reinstate him can't you i mean tim lemon the president of the survivors network of those abused by priests i'm sure you know him as well so spell should have been immediately defrocked makes me speechless he said that they've kept him as a cardinal that means he's the prince of the church the 3rd highest ranking member so now we're faced with a situation where survivors have to rely on civil courts to achieve justice because we have not seen that within the church about their use of if there is a conviction he will certainly be defrocked this is my conviction and you've condemned very strongly sexual abuse in the catholic church but you some of your comments appear to watered down your condemnation by pointing out that this kind of abuse is rife in many other parts of society you said in one interview i follow the situation in the us and of late you have accusations against all kinds of religious leaders from different religious denominations the boy scouts and sports teachers university professors medical doctors psychologi

lemon. it's the weakest of a cases springing up like tim's and we. others -- week. d. i hold no brief for the conduct of this president or any president. what i do care about is the future of the judiciary and whether we should be asserting an authority with such a slight and unprecedented foundation, as is continued here. >> i agree. i think that under cheney, it would make a mockery of respect, which must be considered at every stage. >> no president has done this. essentially, what you're saying, as i understand, we have an emoluments clause. that's the law. but a president can violated in inry incidents -- violate it every instance. you could have interest in dignitaries openly to come in and take 500 rooms of mar-a-lago. you can do all of these things. at the end of the day, you're saying there's nothing you can saidout a president if you -- because this is in light most favorable -- violated it in every instance. but you're saying nothing can be done. is that correct? my question is, is that correct? nothing can be done to remedy a president who openly, without a