this is item 4, peal 21-070, tim lieu -- appeal 21-070, tim louie versus department of building inspection, at 120 dorcas way, appealing the issuance on july 19, 2021, to rich ruhland and rhonda cartwright, of an alteration permit; roof gutter siding sidewalk to comply with complaint numbers 202179383 and 202179572, place gutter down spout penetrating roof and replace roofing in light well. permit number 2021-07-19-4604. note. on september 22, 2021, upon motion by commissioner lazarus, the board voted 5-0 to continue this item to october 6, 2021, with the eightation that the parties meet-and-confer and attempt to resolve any remaining issues. on october 6, 2021, upon motion by president honda, the board voted 4-0-1, commissioner lazarus absent, to continue this item to october 20, 2021, at the request of the parties. >> thank you. during the most recent conversation that i had with the property owner at 120 dorcas, he indicated he is no longer working with mr. pullman. so if the homeowner is only going to be removing the down spout, we also think that there should be a permit pulled for 10