tell all tim miller's why we did it. reveals why and how a generation of republican politicos bend the knee to. a president so many of them privately and despised. finally finally do i really have to follow these guys guys. chris whipple is an author, a political analyst and emmy award winning documentary filmmaker. he is a frequent guest on msn, cnn and so forth, and has contributed essays to the new york times, the washington post, l.a. times and vanity fair. he was also previously the producer of cbs news 60 minutes. well, we didn't get that. hmm. his first book, the gatekeepers analysis of the position of white house chief of staff, was a new york times best seller, and his follow up, the spymasters was based interviews with nearly every cia director and was critically acclaimed. today we will be discussing his latest book, the fight of his life inside biden's white house. the new york times book review stated that in the spirit of a book whipple assesses the biden at the halfway point and managed what seems to be a

, former spokeswoman for vice president harris and host of the symone on msnbc and peacock, and tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush. tim, you know the republicans like to call themselves the party of law and order. at this point their front runner had to be told by a judge, do not commit anymore crimes. republicans are making a choice by standing by this guy. if it backfires in the general election, won't that be on them, an indictment on republicans for choosing him? >> yes. i think it's line order for the but not for me kind of situation here. we're talking about certain times of criminals talking about law and order, wink wink, i don't think we're talking about republican white collar white guys who are trying to do insurrections. that's not what they mean when they talk about law and order. i think this definitely has ramifications, political consequences. you're leading republicans talking about defunding the police now, the federal police, the doj, the fbi, wanting to dismantle them. this is the kind of stuff that is playing very well in the republican echo chambe

melissa murray, tim miller. tim, if any of them call you, can you call me and let me know? >> you'll be my first call. >> thank you very much. >>> coming up next on "the reidout," the cult of trump. how his followers' blind emotion is disrupting america's political discourse and threatening our democracy. "the reidout" continues after this. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley. to help prevent bleeding gums. try saying 'hello gumwash' with parodontax active gum health. it kills 99% plaque bacteria. and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash. more shopping? you should watch your spending honey. i'm saving with liberty mutual, mom. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. check it out, you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, i'll look into that. let me put a reminder on my phone. save $700

enter the $10,000 powered by protein max challenge. ♪ ♪ >> tim miller and susan del ratio are back withtim, why do you think given the iowa voters we just heard from in the last break think that it's time for someone new, that donald trump is still the number one contender in iowa by 24 points? >> yeah, jonathan all explained it this way. there's about 35% of the party, around 44 that are always trumpers. these are people who are with trump in the 2016 primary. with him in the 2016 general. with him 2020. i don't think january six was a big deal, something like january six. now they're with him again. that's a 35% base of the party to be after. now there's two thirds of the party that kind of like him, you know, maybe there with cruz or rubio last time. during his presidency they weren't happy about the economy. january six happened, the like, okay, it's time to look around. he has a little too much baggage. okay, like those people exist. they're out there, and they've left him. but that doesn't change his stranglehold on the other 35%. so if you have 35%, plus a handful, oh that's gonn

. >> joining me now is von hilliard and msnbc political analyst and writer for the bulwark , tim miller. have they given up on the idea that anything that happens in these legal cases is going to disabuse the base of the notion that donald trump is being treated unfairly here? >> well, chris, hope springs eternal, but there is no evidence of this. what jeff duncan said is exactly right. credit to him for standing up and testifying, but as far as political analysis is concerned, there is a reason he is a former lieutenant governor of georgia. he was a rising star in the party, he did the right thing and he did not try to primary herschel walker for that senate seat because most republicans, not all, but most are still with donald trump. they are defending him on these indictments. they believe his lies about the election and there is not really a place in the party for people like jeff duncan, unfortunately. >> there is a great article that peter baker wrote in the new york times. i think we are somewhere up above 90 counts total. here is part of what he writes. it is, quote, the accumul

all right, next up tim miller. [laughter] concerned about my blurbs. >> are worried about your blurbs? what's a little concerned yes. >> don't be, don't be. [laughter] here we go. tim miller msnbc analyst writer at large and host of not my party on snapshot. he has written on politics and culture for "rolling stone," the ringer, daily beast he worked on john mccain and john huntsman's campaigns and tim a spokesman for the national attachment republican national committee drink mitt romney's 2012 campaign he was communications director for jeb bush 2016 presidential campaign. he has since left the gop and become one of the leaders of the never trump movement. [applause] there you go going to be okay. >> thank you. >> in 2020 cofounded the advocacy organization republican voters against trump. all right the blurbs. [laughter] nicole wallace said pickwick she is biased. [laughter] >> how many of you watch nicolle wallace okay here we go. tim is a supremely gifted storyteller who writes with brutal honesty and stylish

more people are dying of climate change policies than of actual climate change. >> tim miller?if i changed. it's a little bit of both. they have always had people that are climate denialists. when i worked for john mccain, the platform was for a carbon tax, for dealing with this issue, him and lindsey graham. this is a key issue. on that stage, no one -- not even the normal candidates said climate change is real. for vivek to say it was a hoax, it's a disaster for the party's brand on top of the trump stuff. >> ukraine was a major point of disagreement after vivek argued against more funding. nikki haley, part of the national security cabinet for donald trump, here is what happened. >> ukraine is a front line of defense. putin has said, if russia -- once russia takes ukraine, poland and the baltics are next. that's a world war. you are choosing a murderer over a -- >> i wish you well on the boards of lockheed and raytheon. >> you want to de-fund israel. you want to de-fund -- >> that's lies. there you have it. >> under your watch, you would make america less. you have no foreig

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tim miller is back with me.me of the maga base may love the idea of a trump/vivek ticket, but some are raising the question, so i'll ask it of you. could the former president tolerate having a running mate who generates a lot of attention and a lot of controversy and maybe takes some of the attention away. >> yeah, i don't think so, if trump is saying you're getting a little controversial, that should be a wake-up call to vivek's team. that is not the guy that you want to say you're getting a little too far out there, given donald trump's track record. i don't think so. i mean, my guess is he will look for somebody that he can trust to be loyal given what happened with mike pence on january 6th. obviously mike pence did the right thing, but trump doesn't think so. ewe look for somebody loyal and who's not going to out shine him. i want to say, listening this hour, joe biden acting so decent in talking about mitch mcconnell was really heartwarming, and then you have joe biden and ron desantis working together on

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and tim miller is here, contributor to the bulwark. former communications director for jeb bush and author of the book why we did it. tim, let's talk about donald trump's lead. it was the new york times pulling him around 44%. that is still really big. but it suggests that there is a slight drop off. do you think there is going to be an opening here? >> boy. the slightest of drop offs. we are cutting thin steph. i couldn't be on symone's shows last week and i was in iowa following these guys around. and i've got to tell you, the question is if not trump, who? his number is weakening a little bit. but a strong second person is not emerging. the rhonda santa's event i want to intimates very sad. reminiscent of some of the kind of a death rattle campaign events. unfortunately i also have a campaign sign up a few times. javon jon huntsman and others. so when you see vaughn rock-bottom a swami. he's a 38-year-old hindu man with no past political experience. it's hard to see him overtaking donald trump. tim scott. a little bit of buzz about t

i'm joined now by tim miller, writer at large -- host of simone right here on msnbc, thank you both fort start with you, since you've logged a lot of time in republican circles here. it just strikes me how dramatically worse this landscape is going to keep getting for mike pence, who is going to likely be the star witness in a federal case involving his former running mate. what happens then given where mike pence is at now? >> i'm not sure if his campaign can get much worse, alex. so who knows. maybe there is a surprise positive silver lining in there for him. to be honest, i think mike pence probably knows his campaign was over before it started. i think he feels genuinely called to do this. and he seemed, on a scale of mike pence, a little looser lately. he was speaking his truth, if you will, at the iowa state fair. and i guess it is better to have him out there saying that and not. i don't think it really matters what his strategy is. republican voters are not interested in mike pence at all. when i was in iowa last week, and i met a woman who said that she shouted mike pence down

i want to bring into the conversation tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush, former republican congressman david jolly and simone sanders townsend, former chief spokesperson for former president harris and host of simone on peacock and msnbc. tim, i've got to get your reaction to what we saw tonight because you have talked about something before that trump is the king of projection and every alleged crime, mishandling documents, these are the crimes he was saying democrats have been doing, namely hillary clinton over the last six years. and the only person we are seeing charged in the grand total of all of this is the last president of the united states. >> after the election it was the maga republicans under trump's direction, allegedly, who were trying to look into some of the machines in cobb county in georgia. i think there's a long line of times where the accusations trump made were in fact confessions, things he was actually doing, whatever either assumed or wish casted the other side he was doing but he was actually guilty of. another i think is worth mentioni

tim miller, thanks for the great reporting and insight. that's our show for tonight.d evening, lawrence. the>> good evening, alex, i'm speed reading this new york times report about the memo that is crucial evidence in jack smith's latest indictment of donald trump. you're the pronunciation expert for kenneth -- >> i am not. can i take a moment to apologize to you? i hadn't unglued authority is chesbrough, and then it's cheeseborough. you think they would take

tim miller, thank you for the great reporting, and insight. that is our show for tonight.lawrence o'donnell, good evening lawrence. >> good morning alex, speed reading in the new york times report about the memo that is crucial evidence in the latest indictment of donald trump. you are the pronunciation expert for kenneth, kenneth. >> i am not actually. can i take a moment and i had it on good authority that it is chesbrough, and then it's cheeseborough. you think they would take it. you're giving him the -- >> it is spelled c h s e b r o. there are not the two ease together, but kenneth chesebro 's memo that the -- if they did not find in the

let's ask tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign, a writer at largeake of this times reporting if he's going to stay away from the debate, go talk to tucker, and is karl rove right, it's going to make him look like a chicken? >> i wish. i mean, look, i hate to say this, i wish karl rove is right, but this guy has been wrong for nine years, maybe longer. he's wishing for a party that doesn't exist anymore. like he's wishing that things are back in the days of rove. the republican voters aren't going to think donald trump is scared for not going to the debate. they agree with donald trump, why should he debate, he's winning by 40, 50 points. every week his poll numbers go up american voters, every indictment his polls go up. he didn't show up to the first debate in 2016. like, this is all just karl rove wish casting that has nothing to do with reality, and i never expected him to show up to the debate, and i i think the only reason that he ever will is out of pure narcissism if he decided he can't get enough of the spotlight. that's why he's going to te

tim miller is writer at large for "the bulwark" and an msnbc political analyst.rles, let's start in the court of public opinion, if we might. where is the legal line when it comes to attacking prosecutors who have been investigating you? do you see any of this potentially as witness tampering? >> i think he is walking dangerously close to the line, chris. he has not gotten to the point that he will get to. i think we're going to see these attacks intensify because ultimately this reeks of desperation. >> what would be the line? >> the line would be when you get to a point where a witness does not want to necessarily testify because of what they believe are pressures from the court of public opinion or direct threats to themselves. there's going to be a threat assessment of everyone involved in this case, fani willis has had multiple threat assessments done not only for herself but also her assistants. if the threat level rises, if that threat assessment comes to a point where they say this is no longer safe for these people to participate in the trial, now donald

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and i kind of liked it. >> i think -- >> fantasy world -- >> tim miller, who do you think was help thell. tim scott where is nowhere. >> general election like vibes -- >> yeah. a couple times nikki haley we thank some stuff that i was like, okay, that sounds right on ukraine. and that's not really -- liking in the primary. but i think she consolidated, if you will, the chris christie, doug bergum, asa, and -- nikki haley was the dominant force of the group. and we've already been talking about vivek, if you will. >> and you reminded of what is impressive about. her she speaks normal english in a way that most politicians do not. >> right. >> and there were just moments where you could see she was coming through the camera and talking to people in a normal way, which a lot of those folks really struggle with. >> ben smith, thank you so much for joining us tonight. we appreciate it. we have much more coming up. rest of the panel is sticking around, so keep your thoughts coming. -- plus the surrender of the former president -- don't go anywhere. we will be right back. ht back. [sneeze] (♪

luke broadwater, marc elias, tim miller, thank you so much for starting us off this hour. >>> when wery for abortion rights is fueling homes for a wider path to election in 2024. voters time and again, rejecting the gop assault on reproductive freedoms, giving democrats more chances to win in the year ahead. that is next. >>> also ahead, it is being called an academic bomb, african-american leaders in florida speaking out loudly against their state's new black history standards that teach the benefits of slavery. the same ones ron desantis keeps defending. >>> and later, the back story behind yesterday's decision behind the supreme court to hit pause on a massive $6 billion opioid settlement with purdue pharma and the sackler family. why the biden justice department is objecting to a deal that was approved by its predecessors. deadline white house continues after a quick break. do not go anywhere. tinues after a quick break. do not go anywhere i'm saving with liberty mutual, mom. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. you could save $700 dollars just by s

joining me now to make seps of all this is tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark.ur news today. you have a novel theory about why some of these shall we call them underdogs may be in the race longer than would naturally make sense. can you talk about that theory? >> well, i mean it's partially a theory and partially based on what desantis super pac told me, and i kind of stopped short when he suggested that maybe his candidate and some of these other candidates would stay in the race longer to amass delegates in the possibility that donald trump is convicted, in jail, so ensconced in legal troubles that he could not accept a nomination. to me this feels like it's the bargaining stage of accepting a loss and that it's happening rather early, before even the first debate. the fact these guys are talking about this i think shows how desperate the straits are. is there an outside chance donald trump is in jail by next summer? yeah, i guess so. and we'd all love to grab the popcorn and watch a republican convention floor fight, fighting with his delegates from jail. tha

tim miller, it's always a pleasure.we've got some breaking news for you. minutes before that 5:00 p.m. deadline trump's legal team has responded to the special counsel's request for a protective order. we are going to bring that to you just on the other side of this break. don't go anywhere. is break don't go anywhere. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis takes you off course. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief... lasting steroid-free remission... ...and the chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check, check, and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; de

tim miller is the former communications director from george w. semafor -- there were a number of homes in this debate, whether or not we remember them in a couple of days is another question that we can all dress. but tim, i want to start with this christiane ramaswamy really going after each other about defending trump, back and forth, different sides of the issues. i want to play that video, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> chris christie, on us to god, your claim that donald trump is motivated by vengeance and grievance would be a lot more credible if your entire campaign were not based on vengeance in grievance against one man. [crowd cheering] people at home want to see -- blindly bashing donald trump without an eye or a vision for the channel, they can just change the channel to msnbc right now. but i'm not running for president against msnbc. i'm running as president of the united states. >> i guess, thank you for the msnbc endorsement. i don't know. ramaswamy is in two worlds, i'm always struck by this, because i think democr

. >> joining us now, susan page, tim miller, and former white house press secretary, robert gibbs.g himself after he compared congresswoman pressley to the kkk. can he handle the scrutiny of a national campaign? >> we're about to find out. he has succeeded to becoming the center of attention, he was the guy others wanted to beat up on at the debate. he's not getting the kind of scrutiny you get when you get a little traction, rise in the polls, and that has included scrutiny of when he has changed positions on things like january 6th, he called it a horrid event and said trump was a loser, now he said trump was the greatest president in the 21st century. these are questions he's going to have to answer. >> we have more results, robert gibbs, from the nbc news des moines register poll, finding fewer than half of iowa republican caucusgoers describe themselves as maga republicans. one in four say they're anti-trump. so where do you see a path forward for someone to cut into trump's lead? >> well, they're going to have to in some ways take that other than maga republicans, some of tha

tim miller, thank you for the great reporting, and insight. that is our show for tonight. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell, good evening lawrence. >> good morning alex, speed reading in the new york times report about the memo that is crucial evidence in the latest indictment of donald trump. you are the pronunciation expert for kenneth, kenneth. >> i am not actually. can i take a moment and i had it on good authority that it is chesbrough, and then it's cheeseborough. you think they would take it. you're giving him the -- >> it is spelled c h s e b r o. there are not the two ease together, but kenneth chesebro 's memo that the -- if they did not find in the investigation. he cites harvard law professor laurence tribe to support his theory about the fake electors. lawrence tribe is going to join us tonight this is one of the lucky bookings that pre-existing this story. he is going to respond to somebody who is listed now as a coconspirator in the case of the january six -- who was in his memo apparently trying to lean on professor tribe. we will see

joining me is kimberly atkins stohr, sam stein and tim miller of the bullwork writer at large and formerto you about breaking news from "the new york times" just ahead of the republican presidential debate next week and it is potentially more problems for the problem-plagued desantis campaign. a firm linked to the super pac that has effectively taken over desantis' presidential campaign posted hundreds of pages of very blunt advice to the governor online as to what to do in the debate. the material includes debate, advice, debate prep for desantis including first attack joe biden and the media, three to five times. state governor desantis' positive vision two to three times. hammer vivek ramaswamy who is rising in the polls and defend donald trump in absentia in response to a chris christie attack. it goes on from there and this is from, you know, the super pac jeff roe, very well known. the super pacs are not supposed to advise campaigns specifically because they are supposed to be separate so they -- tim, as you know, they often post them online in a hidden website, but this was out ve

that's the only -- >> tim miller, michelle goldberg, and jelani cobb, thank you very much -- this is "all in" on this wednesday night. -- right now "alex wagner tonight", now with mugshots, starts now. good evening, alex wagner. >> it's like enhanced, it's like a secret prize at the bottom of the cereal box, all the money shots. thank, you my friend. i will see you into. hours >> two hours. >> to talk about something that we are not going to be talking -- about >> i don't know what you are even talking about and referencing there. i will see you in two hours. >> and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. today, trump's former lawyer, the former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani, voluntarily surrendered at the fulton county jail. mr. giuliani was formally arrested for his alleged role in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election in georgia. but there was one part of that very standard criminal procedure that really seem to anger the former mayor, americas mayor. >> i don't know if i plead today, but if i do plead not guilty, and i get photographed, isn't tha

tim miller, symone sanders-townsend, thank you my friends. simone's show airs right here on msnbc every saturday and sunday at four pm eastern. really appreciate you guys. that is our show for tonight. now it's time for the last word with -- who is in for lawrence. good evening, jonathan. >> good evening, alex. we will keep the conversation going about special counsel jack smith, have a good rest of your friday night. >> you too, buddy. >> all right. today, the federal judge overseeing special counsel jack smith's case into donald trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election and shoot a protective order. judge tanya chutkan establish limits on what evidence in the case trump can't discuss publicly. judge chutkan ordered that donald trump cannot disclose sensitive materials, including recordings, transcripts, interview reports, and related exhibits of witness interviews and materials obtained from other governmental entities. donald trump's legal team can show him the sensitive materials in the case, but trump cannot take notes on any informa

that's the only -- >> tim miller, michelle goldberg, and jelani cobb, thank you very much -- this iswith mugshots, starts now. good evening, alex wagner. >> it's like enhanced, it's like a secret prize at the bottom of the cereal box, all the money shots. thank, you my friend. i will see you into. hours >> two hours. >> to talk about something that we are not going to be talking -- about >> i don't know what you are even talking about and referencing there. i will see you in two hours. >> and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. today, trump's former lawyer, the former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani, voluntarily surrendered at the fulton county jail. mr. giuliani was formally arrested for his alleged role in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election in georgia. but there was

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writer at large for the bulwark, tim miller, thank you very much. >> i completely agree with tim, thoughh year senior, daniels, is coming back at quarterback. a little nervous about florida state week one, but looking forward to two straight wins over alabama. we'll see in tuscaloosa late october/early november. >> it is november the 4th. not that i know. but if you're going to be in tuscaloosa in november, i believe it is november 4th, i will see you there. >> oh, boy, here we go. >> it should be a great game. >> let's make a date. watch out for herald perkins jr. >> okay. >>> still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i just want to say quickly, i couldn't agree more that, you know, chris sununu is saying, hey, let's wait until after new hampshire, it's too late. >> yeah. >> this has to be by the end of the year. >> if they want to solve their problems. >> there has to be consolidation. >> yeah. >> there was the belief when barack obama won iowa, and they were thinking inside the campaign, if we can win iowa, we're on our way. >> yeah. >> they won iowa, and they were on their way. took a littl

let's bring in writer at large for the bulwark, tim miller. bers, tim. you look at that stage, eight people last week that, yes, they had it out, yes, some people had good nights, and we do our usual analysis of it but it's an odd conversation having when somebody is not on the stage 30 points ahead of anyone who is. >> yeah, for sure, willie. that article you referenced is about i went to the louisiana republican party convention over the weekend and wrote about it. actually, the first speaker came to the stage and said that she had just come from the debate. she knew who she thought won the debate and wanted to hear what the crowd thought. people started yelling, "trump." i was listening, trying to hear any other names. i couldn't hear any other names. everyone yelled, "trump," and the speaker responded, "yeah, i thought so, too." you know, that tells you the state of affairs among republican party regulars in red states. you know, trump is the dominant force. there was not a sign there in lafayette, louisiana, that there were other candidate

politics podcast, molly jong-fast and writer at large for the conservative web site the bulwark, tim millerications director for jeb bush. molly, let's start with you. it is really something. you listen to what bill clinton is saying there, and he's just talking about democracy, and, you know, we've heard sunlight is the best disinfectant, if 70% of americans are against the overturning of roe v. wade, then we take it to votes. if 90% of americans want to see background -- universal background checks of 75% of americans want red flag laws. if the majority of americans are against assault-style weapons, take it to referendums and it seems right now, republicans, whether it's the tennessee legislature or whether it's ohio's republican legislature or whether it's donald trump, the last thing they want is one person, one vote. >> it's unbelievably shocking what we're seeing with republicans going against democracy, as opposed to just mildly criticizing trump. you have people like j.d. vance going against the special counsel, the federal government saying, you know, this is all a witch hunt, and

joining me now is ten miller, communications director for jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign. he's now a writer what the bulwark and and visit msnbc analyst. timbring up the past. we've all been there, i've double leaked memos before. that happened just a couple hours before the debate. the story change pretty rapidly as i'm sure that was a moment of trauma and your work history. what's the desantis campaign though all these details are out there, it was from the super pac, it sounds like things he may have thought about liked attack vivek ramaswamy, defending trump, does he need to change a strategy known? >> i love reliving some of the worst three hours of my life on sunday evening. thank you, jan, for doing that to me. >> i've been there. i have my own traumas. it's okay, kim. you know what it's like. that's why when i ask you about. it >> i do know what it's like. luckily, as you mentioned it was before the debate. number two, it wasn't a memo that was a stab at jab, it's the response -- if jab was attacked. i think what's uniquely challenging about this desantis memo leak. it offers suggestive lines, it suggests what desantis might say on

tim scott, all who may sound good or appear to be good on paper. but i failed to translate well to republican voters. who better discuss all this time with my next guest, stephanie millerus xm. and jason selvig of the good liars, jason, great to have you with us. stephanie, earlier this is -- on the social media sites that he won't be attending the debates. chris christie's calling him a coward for that. but beyond the cleared disrespect of the voters by snapping the debate process, the candidates will be on that stage. and by the way we should note have pledged to support whoever gets nominated even if it is trump. in fact i'd say the requirement to participate. that includes people like asa hutchinson and nikki haley who signed off to the pledge. help me make sense of this republican party. it doesn't add up. >> yeah, i'm here in l.a. and i'm happy to be able to join you. i was able to take a sharpie and re-redact hurricane hilary to mar-a-lago. everything is good for now. this is the second thing he's chickened out on this week. as you recall, his big press conference with irrefutable proof of election fraud was supposed to be tomorrow morning. which we all knew was