we'll have the latest on that with "the atlantic's" mark leibovich and "the bulwark's" tim miller. m miller >>> it took more than four weeks, but the 2024 election is finally over. yesterday nbc news made a projection for the winner in the final house race that remained uncalled. it was a democrat. that leaves republicans officially in control of both the house and the senate. beth with very slim majorities. democrats are preparing for that and the incoming trump administration by reportedly shaking up the ranks of their leadership. "politico" reports that house democrats are poised to unseat several senior committee leaders, and hakeem jeffries is letting it happen. it's akin to mutiny, party lawmakers are increasingly anxious about the incoming trump administration and full gop control of congress. meanwhile, republicans are figuring out how to make use of their narrow majorities to execute on trump's agenda. republican senator tom till is acknowledged to nbc that it will be super challenging. the key is addressing all these coalitions that will threaten an unsufficient number of

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mark, tim miller, thank you for your time tonight, my friends. we will be right back. ill be r.times it takes someone who really knows you to make you feel seen. gifts that say i get you. etsy has it. when you hit 65, your risk of hospitalization from flu and covid goes up. last year, one million people 65 and older were hospitalized from those viruses. so update your vaccines and keep doing you. mom where's my homework? mommy! hey hun - sometimes, you just need a moment. self-care has never been this easy. gummy vitamins from nature made, the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. ♪ ♪ ♪ something has changed within me ♪ ♪ it's time to try defying gravity ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> one bit of breaking news before we go tonight. donald trump has just announced his pick of silicon valley billionaire david sachs to be the new white house crypto and a.i. czar. you are probably old enough to remember way back in january of 2021 when sachs said this of trump after the capital insurrection. "i think he's disqualified himself from being a candidate at the national level. if you want to

tim miller is back as well. dr. more pieces of reporting into the conversation. the associated pres last year reported rfk jr. has made his opposition to vaccines clear, quote, in july, kennedy said in a podcast interview, quote, there is no vaccine, there is no vaccine that is safe and effective. rfk told fox news that he still believes in the long ago debunked idea that vaccines can cause autism. in a 2021 podcast, he urged people to resist cdc guidelines on when kids should be vaccinated. quote, i see someone on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and i say to them, better not get them vaccinated, end quote. let me deal in facts and science since we have you and it's such a treat to get to talk to you. on the link between vaccines and autism, i know this is an area of expertise for you. what are the facts? >> yeah, the facts are, nicolle, vaccines do not cause autism. i wrote a book about my daughter because i'm a pediatrician, a vaccine scientist. we develop vaccines. we developed a covid vaccine reaching 100

joining us now, tim miller and washington post national columnist phillip baum. let me survey both of you. phillip, tim, who here believes that we'll have a speaker january 6th? >> republicans in congress are focused on one thing. that is keeping donald trump happy. nothing will frustrate donald trump more than if anything happens to delay his becoming president. i am entirely confident even if it is just some ad hoc you get to be speaker the next 48 hours, they are very adept at coming up with a temporary solution. and i am 100% confident that no one want to be the one that made it so that donald trump's january 6th didn't go exactly the way he hoped the last one did. >> 100% confidence from phillip. this program is live. but it will be available on tape. i just want to put it out there. >> i'll standby it. >> i applaud the confidence. tim, do you think republicans will prove themselves adept at making sure donald trump can certify his election results? >> i don't know if i would use the word adept. but i think that we will stumble into it. i'm with phillip maybe

. >> joining me now is tim miller. cohost of the podcast. i am so excited to get your thoughts on the debacle that happened thin washington. first of all, let me know donald trump hasn't said a thing. he was quite vocal in recent days, how do you read that? >> donald trump was the king of debt. called himself that in the private sector. was the king of debt the first time he was president. even before covid running up an absolutely huge amount of debt. he doesn't actually share you know the view that some republicans have. that's not donald trump. he wants tax cut, he wants goodies to be handed out. what he wanted out of the deal is to not have the debt limit hanging over his head over the first two years or the entire term if he could have gotten it. that was the deal yesterday that the democrats didn't go along with. today's deal stripped that. so now he's going to have limitations. he's going to have to balance his tax cuts. i think the person that should be most concerned about his silence is johnson. i am heading to the magachella fest

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. >>> joining me now is tim miller, cohost of the bull work podcast. i'm excited to get your thoughts on the debacle that just unfolded. donald trump has not said a thing. he was quite vocal in recent days. hasn't said a thing. how do you read that? >> i think he is probably upset about his debt limit negotiation. donald trump was the king of debt. called himself that in the private sector. he was the king of debt during the first term. running up a huge amount debt. he doesn't share the view some republicans have like chip roy. to rein in the debt and cut spending. that is not donald trump. he wants tax cuts. he wants goodies handed out. so he didn't want the debt limit hanging over his head. that was the deal yesterday, that the democrats didn't go along with. today's deal stripped that. so he will have limitations. he will have to negotiate his tax cut next year. that was a real win for the democrats. i think that the person that should be the most concerned about his silence is mike johnson. that guy's time is ticking. the people on stage are not t

eugene daniels is politico's white house correspondent and an msnbc political contributor, tim millerformer communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign, host of the bullwort podcast and an msnbc political analyst. welcome to all of you. ali, what do these leadership challenges tell us about any kind of reckoning within the democratic party? >> reporter: they tell us, chris, about a reckoning that could perhaps be generational happening at the committee level, but they also tell us a story about how hakeem jeffries is stepping into his own as the leader of this party, himself the result of generational shifts within the caucus that happened when nancy pelosi and the rest of her leadership ranks left their posts behind and seated them to the next generation. the trio that jefferies is now part of includes katherine clark and pete aguilar, but that was the first step. that's the first thing, frankly, jefferies talked to me about as an example of the kinds of changes his party is seeing, certainly at some of the committee levels. listen to what he said yesterday when i asked him

tim miller was a republican operative who worked the romney campaign and on election day. he put in charge of going out to the media and describing this sophisticated get out the vote effort the romney campaign was using orca and it was named orca because. the romney campaign was trying to show its digital chops against the formidable obama which had a system called narwhal. and so they were trying to the point that orcas eat narwhals. unfortunately the orca belly flopped and like just never worked from the morning of election day. so tim was sort of pushed forward to hate him. you go before the tv cameras and explain how well it's working. so tim had to lie. and so for a while he did. and this is a really funny scene because if you see tim, he has a great sense of humor. he so goes in any like he's pulling up as and he's like looking at twitter and he's like yeah in colorado we're looking good, you know? and he's just making stuff up. and then does this a few times. and finally he's like, i cannot this anymore. i just cannot lie anymore like this. and so he was one of the

joining us now cohost tim miller and philip baum, thank you for being here. i mean, let me just survey both of you, philip, tim, who here believes that we are going to have a speaker on january 6th, i'll start with you, philip. >> oh yeah, i mean look, republicans in congress are focused on one thing and that's keeping donald trump happy and nothing is going to frustrate trump more than if anything happens to delay his becoming president. i'm entirely confident even if it's on some sort of ad hoc hubble together, you get to be speaker for the next 48 hours thing, some sort of condition to it, they are very adept at coming up with a temporary solution and i am 100% confident that no one wants to be the one that made it so that donald trump's january 6th didn't go exactly the way he hoped for. >> 100% confidence from philip, this program is live but it will be available on tape. i just want to put it out there. >> i'll stand by it. >> okay, i applaud the confidence, tim, do you think republicans will prove themselves adept at making sure that donald trump can ce

back with me now are podcast host tim miller and washington post columnist, philip bump. also joining the discussion, washington post national investigative reporter, carolyn nick. we have two washington reporters, one bulwark reporter, you guys are all awesome, thank you for joining on this friday night. carol, let me start with you. this puts donald trump in a remarkably awkward position, not just because two of his fans are fighting openly, and on the internet, and with a deep divide between them, because trump may actually have to weigh in on policy specifics. do you have any sense on where he might land? do you have any intuition about how he is going to side in this fight? >> you know, i think the best answer to that question, alex, is passed his prologue. when we watched donald trump as president in the first term, the most important question he constantly asked his advisers, whether it be his chief of staff, or miller, or steve bannon, what he asked over and over again in those early months of his presidency, and then later, was "what about my face?" "how will thi

tim miller is a former spokesperson for the rnc and watah ali is writer of democracyish.l battle. one of the most pathetic creatures in the maga universe is the person of color who truly believes that all of their prostrations to trump indulgence and racist conspiracies and delusional adherence will finally earn the love and admiration of the base which is forged from grievance, rage and inheritance to white supremacy. give me your general take of what we've seen over the last couple of days. >> i tried to be very subtle. face eating leopard enjoys eating faces especially those that are brown because they're extra exotic and flavorful. vivek ramaswamy is a pathetic creature. he became a billionaire, became wealthy still cannot get over the fact that he was rejected and holds the maga base much like musk with contempt, right? this is what's so clear here is that the 1% represented by ramaswamy, musk, despite everything they've been given in life are still miserable, look down on american culture, american workers as contemptible fools. that's a quote from elon musk. he ret

we begin our our with our favorite friends and experts, our political analyst tim miller and a former and also joining us as a correspondent for bbc studios and then the cnbc senior washington correspondent who interviewed vivek ramaswamy yesterday. we thought with you -- start with you. your thoughts? >> they are envisioning a total transformation of the federal government top to bottom and they will look at every possible couch for change in the federal government and the question is whether they can do it. the first problem they have is one of authority. they are an outside commission and it's a souped-up blue ribbon commission. we have seen those before trying to tackle spending. the other thing is the scale. they talked about $2 trillion worth of cuts out of a $6 trillion budget and you can't really do that without cutting what they call all of the discretionary spending which is everything the federal government does including the pentagon and then maybe touching some of the social security and medicare and medicaid, things that trump said he didn't want to touch and when i aske

joining me now is tim miller. cohost of the bull worth. it is great to have you both here.tatements or hear statements like this from rick scott, the sort of confidence some might say verging on bluster. >> first of all, let me correct them on a number of things. if there were people that were nominated that had serious problems, whether it is a lack of qualifications or things in their record, they would not be nominated because they would not be taken seriously or they would withdraw their nomination after they saw they had significant opposition. so there's a lot of people that weren't confirmed. so, i think the idea here is these are not serious nominees. and republican senators know it. the question is just this. should they consider serious positions in face of non- serious nominees put forward by the trump administration. >> we have been to this party before, tim. where we are like what will susan collins do? and yet, and then we sort of watch this, the spectacle of pete hegseth and the reporting and the allegations and the swirl and the fact of the matter is tim, to

i'm going to borrow a comment from tim miller, which is you know, if this is what it takes for the countryad we might be on. where sort of the burn it all down makes people realize you know what, bureaucracies are flawed but it's better to have some kind of functioning government than to live in complete chaos. >> right. and we're all going to cover and live through this and see what happens. i want to play one more moment from that original interview because he was quite stark about what they intended to do when they lost. >> have the battleground states challenge the results. that would trigger 24 hours of hearings. mike pence's job at that point was to take ten days and go back and give the state legislatures who really are the ones who have the power to determine whether an election is fraudulent, to give them a second look. >> this was the government side of the coup and sort of creating reality trying to commit voter electoral fraud in other ways and just claim power. i don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but how do you view this if those are now the people back in the white house

and my friend, tim miller, msnbc political analyst and writer at large at one of the great sites online, the board. he is also the author of why we did it, a travelogue from the republican road. all three of you, thank you so much. i know there is no where else would rather be on a saturday on thanksgiving weekend, so i appreciate it. tom, let's start with you. first of all, i hope your mom is never written you an email like that. secondly, what you make of the latest hegseth revelation? >> well, yeah, i mean, when your mom send you something like that that is time to re- examine some life choices. normally, and i think this is important to say. normally discussion between pete hegseth and his mom is nobody's business. if you want to run a 3 million person apartment, the biggest in the government, have clearance that includes the nuclear chain of command, and be in the presidential line of succession, yeah, your personal behavior does matter. and it does become an issue of national interest and national security. this is the kind of thing that if you were applying for a really senior se

tim miller helped lead jeb bush's campaign. and in studio, vaughn hillyard. things stand with the hegseth conversations? >> reporter: he's back on the hill today as you saw in those videos meeting with senate republicans. most friendly meetings today except for senator rounds who said after meeting with hegseth he still had some questions. he wasn't fully there yet but felt good about the meeting. i asked hegseth himself if he's going to stay in through the end and he said he will. he told garrett haake that as long as he has the support of president-elect trump behind him, he will continue to stay in and not withdraw his name despite the allegations surrounding him. i talked to many senators yesterday who met with him. their point, this alcohol problem is definitely an issue sparking concerns among republicans in the senate but also his comments about women in the military. especially women in combat. that is something that of course perked up the ears of joni ernst who is the first woman combat veteran to be in the senate. she's also been outspoken about he

basil michael, and tim miller. so gabe, how is the white house responding to this ever increasing backlash? >> hi, jose. good morning. you played that sound from first lady dr. jill biden saying she supports the pardon and said that yesterday but president biden has not answered shouted questions while on his three-day trip to africa and white house officials aren't saying a whole lot publicly either. karine jean-pierre was pressed on this yesterday during a briefing aboard air force one and she has kept reiterating that the president wrestled with this decision and that two things can be true, that he still believes in the justice system but believes in these cases that it was infected by wild politics and they went after his son. take a listen to some more of what she had to say yesterday aboard air force one. >> we have seen not just us, other people who have commented on the president's actions in the last 24 hours and lost track of time. you can see that hunter was singled out because his last name was biden,

week, donald trump is inviting xi jinping to attend the inauguration, which honestly, i'm with tim miller on this, i think trump sees this as more of a coronation than an inauguration, and the way that kings and empires used to have foreign dignitaries and heads of state, and watch them take the crown, it feels like that for donald trump. but it is an astounding study in terms of what matters to donald trump. >> i wouldn't have a massive problem with inviting president xi if he was part of a longer invitation list of great powers in the world. that is not what is happening. the only great power that is getting an invitation is the dictatorship. the only country in europe that seems to be getting an invitation is the one that is very quickly sliding away from democracy. it is just this big middle finger to the country. telling everybody that these are the kind of governments he models and that he looks up to. places where ordinary people have no power, where if you tried to stand up to the leader, you get thrown in jail. he told us during the campaign that the biggest threat to this countr

tim miller from bulwark, among the people who noticed that in that book, it lists some individuals that patel considers the quote, unquote, deep state people on the deep state list include president biden, former attorney general for donald trump, bill barr, attorney general garland robert mueller. what patel calls the quote, entire fake news press corps, unquote. what is he going to do with with this list? or is this just bombast i don't think that we are in a position to call anything to do with kash patel at this point. >> just bombast, especially if he does end up getting this directorship and if he doesn't, jake, i, i very much suspect that trump will find a way to install him, whether in an acting capacity or in a role that does not require senate confirmation at the top of the american intelligence apparatus. and the reason i say that is because what the public, while the public, doesn't quite know who kash patel is, the fact was that in trump's first term, he came dangerously close to almost this very role. he trump really wanted to promote him at one point to deputy fbi directo

democracy, also with us professor at princeton university eddie cloud and host of the bulwark podcast tim millerandrew wiseman, it's good to see you all. what exactly is trump claiming here? >> i think it's really important to view this in context of an attack on any remaining checks. so the first amendment and the media, which have already been attacked, this is now attacking in a monetary way, so not just missed seltzer but any media company is going to be thinking and journalists will be thinking, do i want this headache, do i want to report this, you're going to be either deciding not to do it, you will skew the results. notably absent from that lawsuit is any facts, i keep on saying this when it comes to the election, because if you notice, trump tied it to his claim of oh it's like the election, well there's just as much a gap in any facts to support that there was fraud in the election and the same thing for this lawsuit, you know, you wouldn't be surprised if you said, you know what, there's some facts here from which it looked like, they didn't just get it wrong but it was intentionally

secretary of state for public diplomacy and affairs during the barack obama administration is here and tim millera chance to talk since the election. i pinned you down with aggressive line of follow up questions but you told me you were optimistic after the election. after hearing this interview do you remain optimistic? >> reporter: i am sorry i am not hearing you nicolle. >> let's fix your audio. tim, i had a chance to interview lee a couple of times and i think the muscle memory for sort of turning to the courts and the public to draw some lines in the sand. obviously the country voted. there are some things that trump ran on, the country did not know they were getting kash patel. i would argue he was pretty front and center but immigration is not one of them. he talked immigration, played videos about immigration, mass deportation, his supporters held printed signs, mass deportation at the republican national convention. his base of support which prevailed in the election wants immigration to change. and it is possible that they don't want this and end of birth right citizenship and mass depo

we want to bring in tim miller a frequent analyst in this late afternoon hour, former rnc spokesperson you know how it works during these vote, right? you've been down this road before. >> yeah, look, i think you guys discussed, ali discussed the republican side of this. the democrat side of this has also been interesting. i think the democrats in the past have been bailing out republican speakers on votes such as this over budget issues since i was a pup, ari. this goes back to boehner, mccarthy, you know, there was always a wing of the republican party that was never going to vote for budgets. these speakers needed to work with democrats in order to get it done. it was this time that, you know, when elon musk blew up the deal that i think democrats said, all right, well, this is your problem now and left it to the republicans. and i think it's interesting that you see today right before christmas once again it's going to be the democrats that have to bail the republicans out. so i think it's an interesting strategic question for hakeem jefferies who's had to do that today. i also thi

miller is with me. former nypd intelligence chief, along with tim clemente, former fbi counterterror agent. so, john, you hear thomas talking about the state of the case as he sees it. what do you hear there? >> what i hear is a lawyer doing his job pushing that. you know, all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty. but there were certain answers to questions like, do you know what he was doing in altoona, pennsylvania? and he said, the burden of proof is on the prosecution, which is not the answer. yes, i know, no, i don't. he said he couldn't get into discussions with his client, so he hasn't had much time and he hasn't had access to discovery. so when he says, i haven't seen any evidence proving my client had anything to do with it, it's literally correct. but he's, he's he's playing it down the middle, which is if there's prints that say that we're going to attack that. right. if there is ballistics, we need to look at it. >> and interesting. tim, i mean, he was very clear from the conversations he's had so far with luigi mangione that the the plea, if it were today, the p

our john miller reporting this and reporting new details about what happened next. tim clemente is also with us. let's start, john, with what you've learned. you've got a lot of new details. so you're reporting that he gets on this bus ten days before the shooting in atlanta comes to new york. then what? >> so we don't know that exactly we know he's on a bus that originates in atlanta, but they haven't established where between atlanta and washington, d.c., you know he got on that bus um, they have established at different points where he got off the bus. >> wait, hold on one second. hold on one second. you're saying the bus was going from atlanta to new york? but we don't know where he got on. >> exactly. okay. >> and that is that is very important. i want to make sure everyone hears that because that's a bit different than what i said a moment ago. okay so so that's a that's a factor that they're going to have to work backwards on. >> they're going to have to figure out at what point he appears, you know getting on the bus for the first time. and that means working wi

tim kaine stood up with a proposal. >> could the senators all agree to reauthorize the gabriella miller kids first research act, whichunds pediatric research? well, it may seem shocking, given washington's deep divisions, but it passed the senators agreed unanimously, and it got me thinking about the namesake for that pediatric cancer research program. gabriella miller died of inoperable brain cancer in 2013. she was only ten years old. gabriella was incredible at such a young age. she became a public advocate for cancer research. her awareness of and honesty about her condition was wrenching. >> once you get cancer. you kind of got to be all grown up. um and and you don't really have a childhood her father told her her tumor was the size of a walnut. >> so gabriella would smash walnuts as a way to get out her message about combating childhood cancer. even during a visit to the eiffel tower not long after she died. back in 2013, her parents told me how their remarkable young girl stayed positive despite being so sick her quote that she carried on throughout always is you may have a bad day today, but there's always a

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