let's talk ma'am, to tim murphy. he's the head of piece building of the intervention at the institute for justice and reconciliation. he joins us on skype from cape town to murphy. welcome to the usa. is there a sense in which this was always going to happen? not always going to happen, but always going to happen in this way because mr. zoom is a lightening rod for people's anger. their dissatisfaction with other issues in play in south africa. yes, there was a sense that something would happen following be arrest of mr. juma. i think what was unexpected was the broad scope, and the white extent to which we've seen the uprisings in a number of different cities and towns across at least 2 problems is indications that the province of western kate might also have some uprisings, as of today. widespread looting, as you mentioned. but i think the key point is that there's really reveals the multi layered nature of the crisis very complex situation. and so he'll be, could make disparities and social exclusion that goes bac

tim murphy is from the institute for justice and reconciliation. he thinks some form of protest was to be expected after him as arrest, but no one could have predicted the scale of the unrest. this really reveals the multi layered nature of the crisis very complex situation that social comic disparities and social exclusion that goes back to the apartheid legacy in south africa. combined with years of ms. ro, paradoxically, by, by mr. jacobs, do the between 20092018. so i think this is a deep, socio economic crisis. western by a political system and political governance that has impact misjudged the temperature, the social temperature in the country. but the irony inspect is that between 20092018, as i mentioned under jacobs and rule, there was widespread looting of state conference estimated in the order of half a trillion south africa ran close to 500000000000 us. and if that looting hadn't happened and in fact they resources were adequately deployed. busy particularly to social economic programs to help education housing. we may not be seeing wh

tim murphy is coo. >> i think it's really opening up people's eyes. ink thrashleigh johnson, the first black woman on the roster, will be attending in japan. amr has encouraged her since she was a kid. >> it makes me want to fight harder. it lets me know there's so much more change that needs to happen in our sport. >> no one looked at me and said, oh, this guy is going to succeed, they just gave me a million reasons why i should quit. it was just fuel to the fire for me. i'm going to be better and smarter and stronger than all of these people, and someday they're going to give me respect. >> reporter: the son of egyptian immigrants, in his essay amr writes -- >> i am a dark skinned, curly haired, southern californian. i am an american. i do believe we have the power to heal ourselves from the poisonrng," dana jacobson, huntington beach, california. >> love everything about it. your heart goes out to the struggle and shout out to tim murphy who saw that and said my employees need to hear this. that's what i think all this conversation is about -- that