talked about the major issues in the case with kim lauden, managing editor of the program, and tim o'brien who covers the supreme court. tim, the most despicable speech imaginable, no limits on it? >> well, there are limits on free speech. there can time, place and manner restrictions. you can't go through someone's neighborhood at 4:00 in the morning with a loud speaker. this is a content-based restriction and that's different. even content-based restrictions are sometimes allowed. for example, you can sue somebody if they defame you. obscenity is not protected by free speech. fighting words are not protected. but here, the words, the comments, the demonstration as despicable as it was might still be protected. >> no matter how upset or sick it might make somebody else? >> consider, this is an important issue. the rights of gay people, gays in the military, it's a discussion, we might not like the way people come to this discussion or what they have to say about, is still a legitimate discussion about an important public issue. courts are loath to interfere with that kind of conversation.