joining us now is tim o'brien, senior columnist, and author of the book trump nation, jim was sued bys going to be one sentence away from perjury, every moment he is under oath. and in any civil suit, he can be asked for example, about his net worth. because his ability to pay damages is part of the testimonial base of the case, there's land mine everywhere for him. >> we've talked about this before, lawrence but donald trump's every lawyers, nightmare under deposition, he's a pathological liar, he's undisciplined, he's prone to exaggeration. for journalists, and people like you and me, this is awesome theater, and it comes ideally to the public, record i think the issue in this deposition is. what's kind of me is going to be there, given all the other issues swirling around him right, now specifically i think, the january six inquiry from congress in the manhattan district attorney's office, financial fraud investigation of the trump organization, and trump himself, for both of those cases, those involve issues that i'm not a sure are going to arise to deposition territory in this ca