you have now tim parlatore, the lawyer for bernie kerik, saying, you know, you might want to give hime can help you on the sydney powell deal. but that's, you know, that's a real prosecutorial decision. those are the things where you are sort of paid the big bucks, which is to decide whether you really would give immunity to somebody like bernie kerik. and it's unusual to me to see his lawyer essentially making that argument on television. to me it suggests that there may not be playing out so well, or he is having private conversations with the prosecutors. because immunity is asking for quite a lot for somebody who is already a convicted felon. he was pardoned, by the way, by but donald trump. and i could see the prosecutors thinking, you know, i am not so sure it is worth the market. remember, they just got a new witness for this with respect to sydney powell. and they indicted the case without having any of those people. felt confident they would win the case. so i don't know if they're willing to strike a deal, but that favorable -- unless he really has the keys to the kingdom wi

so we have obtained a letter that keric's lawyer sent, and in this letter, tim parlatore said, if we wanted to indict him, we would, and they have not put it in writing. so the district attorney has not gotten back to us with the new reporting, but while trump is in this courtroom with some of the lawyers who are working on the other cases, all of the criminal investigations are continuing, and the legal exposure continues to expand. >> there is so much there, and i wanted to mention again from a few minutes ago where cameras were allowed just for a few minutes into the court to show you the court. the judge did end up ruling no cameras in the court for the rest of the trial. so that is where we are right now, and the reason that you are seeing this is somehow, it appears that he allowed the cameras to take a few pictures before, and then they were promptly told to leave. so, the rest of the case is going to be done with the reporters who are in the case who will be telling us the details, but you won't be seeing it like you are seeing it right now. all right. to john miller. he is w

and with me kerik's lawyer who have previously resigned from trump's legal team, tim parlatore. bernie kerik was at a key meeting on november 25th, 2020 with a group of pennsylvania legislatives and then president trump and along with mark meadows an rudy giuliani and jenna el is. now cassidy hutchinson said this meeting touched on holding a special session of the pennsylvania state legislature to appoint these fake electors, these trump electors. why was bernie kerik at that meeting and were crimes discussed? >> so, bernie kerik was working with rudy giuliani as an investigator. so he aend itted a lot of meetings alongside rudy giuliani. and from my understanding and everything that i've discussed with mr. kerik, and all of the evident i've seen, there was no criminality discussed whatsoever at that meeting. it was about different legislative actions that could be taken and everything was about doing things legally. >> now you say that bernie kerik should be granted immunity in exchange for testifying. why? what kind of testimony does he have to offer? >> sure. so, you know, i

but his lawyer, tim parlatore says today two things.ne, in a letter to the prosecutors, he says, look, my client is not going to testify unless you give this grant of immunity. if you don't do that, he is going to take the stand and invoke his fifth amendment right. but parlatore also suggests that his client is not so much going to be a helpful witness against the former president or rudy giuliani, but might be helpful against another defendant. let's take a listen. >> from my understanding, he does not have anything that would indicate criminality by the president or any member of the giuliani team. would he potentially be help informal a case against sidney powell, i think he would. but if you're not willing to give him the basic protections that any normal prosecutor in any other prosecuting office in the country would do, then you're just not going to be able to force him to testify. >> now kerik previously sat for an interview in the special counsel's january 6th and election interference investigation. we're told that before he s