. >> my good pal, tim ramie, we go bam and forth on this thing, has been defending this thing. if you look at his report, what he says, he assumes the company will get a delisting notice, assumes there will be violation of loan covenants, won't be able to buy back stocks. this has all sort of piled on top of something that is unrelated to our original story. >> what do you reckon about this, brian? >> well, here's the thing you have for herb. one statement, one estimate. ramie cut the long-term targets in half. he does have a short-term targets, which he cut from 78 to 37. here's what i have a question for you, herb. you've been doing this kind of journalism forever. why are we distrusting the results of herbalife when by all accounts right now the story seems to be what they call a rogue kpmg auditor who maw oy may not have given up information. why are we calling into question the balance sheets and audits when we're talking about, i thought, an insider trading allegation? itches that's a great question, because again the audit is theoretically the audit. it depends on which