that's why the film of "dead man walking" is so good because tim robbins is brave in it. he brings you over to both sides. he leaves you there so you go to deeper reflection on an issue. oh, here's tim robbins he's one of those liberal bleeding hearts, we'll have an anti-death penalty film here. wrong! i got a letter from a high school kid who went with his class to see "dead man walking," he was a senior. he said before i went to see the film, i was for the death penalty. when i came out of the film, i was for the death penalty more because he got what he deserved. >> john: you can't reach them all, i guess. please? >> just over time, we can reach people. it is the discourse that's been happening on the death penalty that's helping the american public to reflect on it and for people, you know, the more people realize, for example that people who are not executed are going to really get life without parole sentences and you can be safe as a society without killing. that affects juries even in texas. >> john: you're right. it is cheaper to keep someone alive in prison for