tim snider, you first. helpful for them to get a trailer with them as t-- >> resort to thinking of any empbts as just between themselves as individuals and the people who are supposed to understand their suffering. so it doesn't help us to understand what's happening for another reason which is that there's a clear, factual trail. i think the real political steaks are not so much russian trump but just fact versus fiction. ? he had the help of and now we're going to find out what the facts are. we know a lot of them but i think the president would be best to allow the factual procedure to go forward. >> do you think that's possible for this president? >> you know -- there are two tims tonight. >> yeah. >> do i think it's possible? what i'm looking for is to see if this white house can operate. >> your reaction says no. >> well, the thing about it -- well, my sense is that this president is having to learn on the job and isn't doing a very good job of learning on the job. he has made so many mistakes. leavin