. >> i saw it the opposite way where sometimes a tim teebow who is a very opposing figure. it's hard to be on a team. you were around the spurs for a long time, did you see any gay players? >> no, i did not. and the spurs are one of the most well-run team ins the league. >> what's amazing to me about jason collins, though, and, drew, you can weigh in on this, too, he's what? 34 years old, i think? and he doesn't really know many gay people. it wasn't even like he had parter ins that he was trying to, you know, keep out of the pub like eye. he was alone. he would say he would go back to his own and pet his german shepherd. it's sad that it's taken him this long. people under the age of 34 say so what? this poor man didn't have a normal love relationship because he was afraid of this? >> it is amazing, the difference, i'm 45 or 46, you meet young kids today and they're just not the same -- it's just completely different. >> in israel, they are being openly gay in every way. >> you may think young people are really tolerant. >> it also depends on cultural issues. an american s