here is jd vance and tim walz. >> governor walz and i will debate the issues that matter to people, and i will show it is very simple, the candidacy, the team of substance, the team with a plan is the team of trump-vance. >> it is obvious to us that donald trump and jd vance do not share values. elections have consequences. it is donald trump or kamala harris. joe: we will hear from a range of voices, democrats and republicans with reporting down the middle. we begin with annmarie hordern at the debate site, a few blocks from where we are sitting in midtown manhattan. annmarie: you are already seeing surrogates come out from both sides to do their best to spin before the debate. i caught up with jason miller, senior advisor to the former president. he had an interesting moment where he said this is the last debate we will see before the election. probably sounds like there is wiggle room for another harris-trump debate. he said he does not like to speak in absolute terms and says this is likely the last debate. that is why it is so important, you see the polling of these individuals nec

vance and tim walz.st, the mideast on the brink of war as iran launches over 200 ballistic missiles at israel. iranian missile strikes in response to israel taking out the leader of hezbollah. iranian terror proxy based in lebanon, which is been shelling israeli neighborhoods from the north. israel's iron dome and u.s. missile defense intercepting the iranian barrage. the pentagon sending additional service members to the region, bracing for potential attacks on u.s. military bases. israel will certainly respond with precision strikes inside iran proper. >>> here at home, over 45,000 dockworkers went on strike today, shutting down ports along the east coast and a gulf coast. the head of the union threatening to cripple the economy if they aren't given a hefty rays and a guarantee that robots won't take their jobs. >> people never gave a [bleep] about us until now, when they finally realize that the chain is being broke. cars won't come in, food won't come in, clothing won't come in. you know how many peo

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this was jd vance who made friends at yale, this was tim walz who won in difficult times during 2010 would basically ever y democrat. kicked out. but the thing that really sort of, like to get back to the democracy question at the end, walz almost apologizes for it where he says like we are agreeing on a lot of stuff, and there is bipartisan, this is a thing i cannot go with you on, and i thought it was very human. you could see it in his face, because you can hear when someone's throat is a little closed, he does not like fighting and arguing, he doesn't like delivering the blow, that's not who he is. he had to steal himself, he almost had to apologize, i'm almost bummed out by this, dude, but, i found all the more effective. the wonky housing, i thought that was a good exchange, sort of interesting, that part was like right, we can all walk and talk together on policy things up to a point, but there's a point which we can't, and i, tim walz, m saying this is the point. >> control room, do we have-- the piece of sound you are referring to we will try to turn around quicker than every

so i will quote tim walz. she did come across something of a knucklehead to some people, his word, when you think about this, the golden rule of the vp debate is do no harm. you are number 2 in command. i would make the argument vance helped trump and selecting him as his number 2 as vp shows that trump has good judgment, good leader puts solid people underneath them, perhaps smarter than they are. you are not seeing that the other way around. stuart: thanks. back to the markets. dow down 40, nasdaq down 40. tesla just reported third-quarter deliveries, 462,000. what does that tell you about toes look, stock is down 5%. >> a lot of it was priced in earlier. tesla is still growing, still selling vehicles. whether you loved a elon musk or not, people find value in the vehicles and down to the point only a few competitors left, down to gm in the us, the chinese are taking the markets by storm around the world so those guys are the ones driving that. learn new thing is people trying to get excited about october 10

it was a tough moment for tim walz. are the debate, but at the end of the day, he showed something that most politicians don't show, which is a little bit of humility calling himself in knucklehead, saying he misspoke. i think that that as you go through out the night, i mean, the issues of abortion, the issues of iran and israel the issues of the economy, the issues of immigration are going to far outpace whether or not he was in hong kong on whatever specific day that he said he was or whether he was there later in the summer. i think the way that he answered it would just an ounce of humility and simply saying, look, i was i was a knucklehead. i misspoke. i get caught up in the rhetoric, will go a long way. i don't think that's it's going to if you look at the fact of where he was that summer versus the fact that jd vance wants a nationwide abortion ban and has lied about that. i think that issue of abortion will far outweigh what happened in hong kong and whether or not tim walz was they are not alex thompson. >> i

and so i think those two things combined to cause tim walz to say, "i think i need to go a different >> on facebook, walz says that after listening to voices across minnesota, he is now supporting a statewide ban on assault weapons. >> what's been the response to your shift in this, in this area? >> yeah, well, i think it's come over time. >> narrator: on the local news, walz was pressed to defend his new position. >> the are things that don't infringe upon people's rights, to keep and bear arms in a manner that allows them to do what they need to do, um, but it does bring another measure of potentially-- and i am not naïve-- potentially stopping one of these shootings. >> it was an argument that, that landed for people at the time. and i think democrats were ready to accept his explanation. >> give me the opportunity to, to earn your endorsement. we will make these things happen in minnesota... >> and it speaks to his skill. i ink it was a pretty masterful evolution, as they go. (crowd cheering and applauding) >> narrator: it would work-- he'd become governor. >> our democracy is str

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although, again, tim walz, he's tough, he's been doing this for two decades, he's been in office for 20 years, jd has only been in office for two years, so tim is a professional at this, but jd vance is going to do well. >> okay. well just so you know, trump called walz a total moron last night, so he doesn't think as high of tim walz as you do. everyone is doing their expectation setting. >> when we talk about the issues, when president trump is making those type of criticisms, he's pointing out the fact that we have allowed 20 plus million illegals into 24 country. the language might be tough. how does tim walz stand on that stage tonight and explain why kamala harris allowed 21 million illegals into the country, how does tim walz stand on the stage and explain why kamala harris had two deciding votes s s tha to this near record inflation? we have to call out these tough issues. to me, people are struggling. this isn't time for powder puff football. we'll get down to it. >> by the way, the former president was talking about his debating skills. that was the issue. jason miller, than

vance and tim walz wearing off and that vp debate. f walz arriving earlier, waving and his spirit fingers to his adoring fans and the press. joining me now, fox news contributor alongside content creator, minnesota radio host. this is quite the group we have today. what are your predictions tonight? >> i think j.d. vance us to do a couple of things. first of all, is much as tim walz wants to talk about himself or -- as a coach or teacher, he's been the governor of minnesota drink some bad times, specifically the george floyd riots, kind of sat by well a lot of minneapolis was destroyed. and then the covid lockdowns as well. remind people of that and then tie it off the kamala harris. on the other hand, i think walz will take everything that donald trump has ever said that democrats did not like an try to tie it to j.d. vance. >> jesse: i expect things like january 6th and charlottesville and all of that will get another erring tonight, as it did in the previous debate. what do you think j.d. vance's biggest hurdle is tonight? >> you ar

you know, look, i think tim walz needs to be tim walz. i agree. don't you know, he's going to he's going to say what he wants to say. i think j.d. vance is the one that may go down these rabbit holes with things that he said. he said some crazy stuff. but, you know, he came to springfield, ohio. >> i know. but but tim walz nice to talk about where he is in this race, what they're doing. >> i'd stay away from the childless cat. ladies, stay away from springfield. those are going to come out anyway, talk about what they're going to do for america and the hope and the joy that tim walz let's brings. i talk about my mole football team that walked out on that stage at the dnc. that was a moment, folks, i got to tell you home and spoke to a lot of people across this country. >> all right. you can watch tim walz and jd vance's first face off in their vp debate hosted by cbs news tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. and i'll be heading to you or to do some of our pre debate coverage. don't miss it straight ahead here on cnn this morning, we con

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tim t walz called himself out o it. no, no, no, i am not lying, let me tell you why i am calling them illegal immigrants even though they are not illegal. they said thank you for explaining the law. that is annot what we are askin you about. >> that is when he complained about being fact checked, saying the rules said you can not fact check me. that is one of the thing that is in the video that we will be hearing a lot of. norah o'donnell did a fact a check indirect at the end of the climate change discussion, the discussion ended and she just said directly, the overall consensus that climate change is happening. that is enthat, but then when i was a direct fact check to j.d. vance he did complain that cbs was violating its own rule. >>> it is the top of the hour. super grateful to have you watching our coverage of the vice presidential debate. it started as a slow burn. not sure what is happening on the substance, the pace was slower at the beginning and then about midpoint it really took off. and then we had what i th

tim walz also lied over and over again, we fact-checked check him, light about taxes, pretended only thy americans with see if tax hike under that harris and walz administration. that is false he lied about the border attending a legal immigration numbers are lower than under trump. which is false. totally false khaki light about abortion, he lied about housing he lied about inflation 2025 that project that only exists in their mind, they lied about regulations, and when asked about another lie surrounding his time in china, tim walz kind of embarrassed himself, this was a moment to watch. >> governor walz khaki said you were in hong kong during the deadly tiananmen square protests in the spring of 1989. but minnesota public radio and other media lists are reporting you didn't travel to asia of august of that year. can you explain that discrepancy? >> to the folks out there that didn't get it the top of this, i grew up in small rural nebraska, down at 400 -- count of 400 town you rode your bike with a buddy to the streetlights came on. no look at my community knows who i am. they saw

jason miller said tim walz is wily political veteran. walz is leaking that tim walz is nervous.l consider tonight's debate a success if? fill in the blank. >> we need to talk about policy. this is about donald trump and kamala harris. from j.d. vance you will hear reintroduction of him. you will hear about his upbringing and his desire to work with president trump to make the american dream achievable to efrp else. main focus and j.d. vance will hit a home run is talking about policies voters care about. i think tim walz will have a hard time, how does he defend kamala harris' record. kamala harris has said we need to turn the page. that is right, from them. they have failed on economy and inflation and failed on the border and with fentanyl powering in and chaos at home and abroad, that is the key to success. voters want to hear about issues that are important to them. >> todd: i think j.d. vance is well primed to deliver that. we'll see. in town for the big night, appreciate you coming by at 5:00 a.m. americans in southeast suffered during hurricane helene, kamala harris was h

in terms of tim walz, is _ 80, of course. in terms of tim walz, is the — 80, of course.m| walz, is the obvious target the cat lady comments on the various comments he continues to make about women, given how important that sector of the vote is? , , . ., vote is? this is the challenge of any woman _ vote is? this is the challenge of any woman running - vote is? this is the challenge| of any woman running against vote is? this is the challenge i of any woman running against a donald trump ticket, you have got to be careful, to make sure you address the childless cat ladies, make sure you are answering any lies but you have to also get your message out, so it will be important for two lots to talk about the harris to inbox vision for the country —— important fortim to inbox vision for the country —— important for tim walz to talk about the harris and tim walz vision for the country but he talks about what it is like governing, whether he was a coach or as a teacher, and that will be important for independents who are watching and who are trying to figure out who to vote fo

vance and tim walz and who has commanding control over the facts. that is where vance stood out and walz stumbled around and didn't give clear answers. j.d. vance have the toughest job of the night and he had to defend the harris administration and biden administration over the things done pointing negative towards the american people. at the end of the date the best part of the debate was having vice presidential candidate for the democrats admit the country is in bad shape. think about what he was saying, we have to have a new depression and turn the page. that is turning the page on the heroes administration. you think we need four more years has something to turn the page on? i have now begun to call this amnesia ticket because they seem to want to forget they have been in power the last three years. just be went to the point you and carley are making, it is not a good sign when your most cogent answers are basically in support of the other guy's argument, is what walz did at times. one of his not cogent arguments came when arguably must talk abo

that she can describe what she he brings to the ticket. >> tim walz if you look at, yo tim walz and youun have a sense that we are and where we came from and you would think we have nothing in commonknow. but his, you know, he comes from the same kind of -- you know same kind of country different culture but same people. i just found that so familiar to me. and thei guess that the process ultimately made a decision about my cut. >> laura: yeah, that is nothing related to whether he is a good vice presidential picks.y joining me monica crowley, trump's mock debate moderator for fox news and j.d. is hard to beat in an argument that debates are sometimes about humanizing moments as much as they are i about facts and i think that is what tim walz is hoping for. >> i do think tim waltz will come out with minnesota nice kind of midwest folksy act because he really can't run on anything else and he can't a debate on a policy platform. the 22 has to defend bor kamala harris' economy, inflation, wide-open border and collapse of law and order and policy and at the same time, tim walz has to defen

you obviously have governor tim walz. he's from right here you have wisconsin, here you have michigan. he has been to wisconsin five times, michigan four times. senator jd vance has been to both states six times. they're hoping they appeal to those voters right here in the midwest, in these critical battleground states, these blue-collar voters. senator jd vance is from that critical battleground of ohio right next to it. all-important pennsylvania, you mentioned it, both candidates see this as a must win. >> we're going to come back to these polls a little later on. again, it's what everyone wants to know, just how close is this race. >>> when we come back, terri moran standing by in springfield, ohio. that community came under intense national scrutiny during the presidential debate. we're going to go live to terry moran there. what voters in that community expect to hear tonight in this vice presidential debate. >>> and donna brazil, priebus, what would they tell both of these gentlemen they have to do tonight? we'll h

you get to the bottom of the first page and there is tim walz. right now, this is a very recent number, about a week old from nbc polling. walz with a 40% positive score. a 33% negative score. that's a positive rating there, sort of plus seven. that's where walz fits in historically at the end of this very first page. now we're going to keep going down the list here. second page here, there was cheney in '04. he lost some of that popularity. paul ryan, kamala harris when she ran four years ago. there's joe biden when he ran for re-election. he was under water by that point in 2012. now we go to the third page where we see jd vance. and these are the worst net ratings of the last ten election cycles. there's vance, again, our most recent nbc poll. 32 positive, 45 negative. that's a net minus 13 favorable rating right there. and you can see there's only two that come under jd vance in all this time, the last ten elections. one is james stockdale, you remember him. ross perot's running mate, 1992. he said who am i? why am i here, on the debate stage.

vance and tim walz.oing to get into some of the contradictions that j.d. vance in his previous record that he tried to sort of fanatize last night and basically the last answer that we showed at the end of that is i think the moment that will be remembered from this debate. when a very simple questions posed not by the moderators, but by governor walz turning to j.d. vance and saying did donald trump lose the 2020 election, yes or no, and j.d. vance do not answer. tells you everything you need to know. >> might have been good if that was asked earlier on. a couple other things, too, we can talk about. jonathan lemire and elise jordan still with us. joining the discussion we have staff writer for "the atlantic" david frum with us and chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker joins us for this hour. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has more highlights from last night's debate. >> reporter: in their first and only face-off j.d. vance and tim walz squaring o

it was the total opposite. >> so you don't want to hear that tonight from jd vance or tim walz? not at all. i think it's disgraceful, the lack of decency. frankly both sides have. >> all right. stephanie and marilyn. what do you want to hear? real quick. >> i would like to hear mr. walz talk about decency and the lack of it on the republican side. we know from pretty much his adolescence mr. trump has not been particularly decent to anybody. he was prosecuted as a slumlord. he's bankrupted several companies. not personal bankruptcy but several businesses. he's known for not paying contractors in middle america. you want to work for a man who won't pay you? a rich man who won't pay you? as far as the economy, he's racked up $3.5 billion. >> all right stephanie. we are now just moments away from tonight's simulcast of the cbs news vice presidential debate here on c-span. a little more than 90 minutes of debate expected between jd vance and tim walz. after the debate, we hear phone calls and see your reaction on social media and take a look inside the spin room in new york to see h

liz: welcome back, canaling control over run run running mal tim walz. wants to demote and downgrade swing states and wants to eliminate the united states electoral college. fox news mark meredith at the story with more. reporter: liz, good evening. happy friday. electoral college system dates back to founding father and appears vice presidential candidate and minnesota governor tim walz thinks now is the time the country change how it runs its elections. during a recent fundraiser in sacramento, california, walz told the crowd the electoral college system is outdated and said i think the electoral college needs to go and need a national popular vote. walz said was not speaking on behalf of the entire democratic ticket and just his opinion. the candidate himself is trying to walk the comments back and here's what he had to say to abc's good morning america. >> it's not the campaign's position and the point i'm trying to make is that there's folks that feel every vote must count in every state. reporter: president trump shared his thoughts on this in 2012

i was a little worried about tim walz going into the debate. got an email from his wife today asking me for money. i hope they're okay. there are the walzs reriving in new york this morning. he's extra fired up because he got a free ramekin of khex mix on the plane. [ laughter ] wallz got ready for tonight's matchup with a series of mock debates. they had stand-ins for the moderators and pete buttigieg played j.d. vance. he must hate the idea that a gay man was playing him. [ laughter ] and wearing less eyeliner than he does, too. [ laughter ] [ applause ] you know, it's difficult to prepare for debate in general, it's especially difficult when the other guy might blurt out that puerto ricans are poisoning our halloween candy, or women shouldn't be allowed to swim during menstruation. [ laughter ] he didn't do either of those things. both candidates were pretty darn polite to each other. >> tim said something i agree with. i agree, i actually agree with you. i agree with tim walz. governor, i agree with you. i agree with that. i think governor w

vance's team has been preparing him for these potential deflections from governor tim walz, his team, his advisers, believe that of walz's main strengths is disarming his opponent, particularly on the debate stage, using what they call folksy charm that sometimes walz uses this even for deflections in different answers. they were trying to prepare j.d. vance to deal with that. one of the ways that they did this was by having tom emmer, the house majority whip who played tim walz, who's known him for ten years, study his mannerisms and use them effectively against jd vance during these mock debates to try and disarm him. but i was told by a source earlier today, they believe vance is quote unquote unflappable. now, as for the former president, i do just want to quickly note that he is getting on his plane shortly to go to texas. he's expected to watch the debate watch vance in real time as he heads down to texas and respond on social media. anderson. >> all right, kristen, thanks very much. over to kaitlan collins now with a look at the rules for tonight's debate. so what are the guide

so tim wams has a whole concern walz has a whole bunch of problems.supposed to be this person to help bring the midwest together. the reality is when you compare his life to senator vance's life which has been an american success story, there is no comparison. tim walz exaggerated his tenure in the military, said he carried a weapon of war when he was overseas. we know that was never if true are. so he has to answer for those things on the, and i'm sure the american people are finally ready for him to sit down and answer some questions because after 70 days of being part of this ticket the, he's never sat down for a one-on-one interview. elizabeth: are you worried about the cbs moderate ors? will they be biased, do you think? people are saying, no, that they'll be middle of the road. what do you think? >> i don't want to to say they're going to be middle of the road, but j.d. vance has done every sunday show and take every shot that the mainstream media has thrown at him. he's incredibly articulate and smart, he fact checks people in realtime, so we'r

vance or tim walz. in and paide wh attention to this and saw theser two people, one who was evasive and refused to answer questions. when he talked about something he seemed to know something about, he was not able to make an argument or defend the policies of kamala harris. j.d. vance, on thepo otherin hae was prepared, he was on point. he was able to explain his positions, explained donald trump's positions andthin defend them. i think anybody who did dilantin to meet these two walked away realizing that you had j.d. vance as a serious, thoughtful,t engaging person, and tim walz is just a waste who is incapable o makinghe the simplest argument. >> laura: buighbt he would be a good neighbor if you want your neighborhood to burn down. i don't understand that comment. >> i guess! >> laura: charlie, it is funny, i got some holes after the debate from old law school friends not particularly fonbutf president trump. they will vote republican but they are not a huge trump fan w would do and were so blown awa

not 1990 as tim walz falsely claimed at the debate.ays a pleasure to see you again thanks for joining us we appreciate it. >> thank you, liz be well. >> kamala harris is engaged incense or ship at an industrial scale. she did it during covid. she's done it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy than what donald trump said when he said the protesters should peacefully protest on january 6. kamala harris wants to use, threatening the power of government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds. that is a threat to democracy that will long out live this present political moment. i would like democrats and republicans to both reject censorship. let's persuade one another and argue about ideas and that we have to remember that for years in this country, democrats, protested the results of elections. hillary clinton in 2016 said that donald trump had the election stolen by vladimir putin because the russians bought like $500,000 worth of facebook ads. >> well i don't run facebook. li

he lost the election. >> he's trying to lie about it and he will do so again, i'm tim walz. r your support. >> walz it's advance have also been watching each other's old debates, studying style and substance, including when vance seize the moment to break out of a crowded senate primary fight, two tours in iraq don't tell me i've been working on that nearly came to blows. think about what we just saw. this guy wants to be a us senator is up here, hold me back, home, way back. i got two tours in the marine corps the joke, answer the question, stop playing around. >> vance has also been scrutinizing walz's record as governor, hoping to paint him in harris as extreme and liberal while blasting waltzes, folksiness as a facade fans his combative steeped in policy and striving to come across as more likable aides say i mean, we're we're we're white guys from the midwest, i guess there are similarities. there, yet he may have his hands full with a minnesota governor. he got under trump and vance's skin even before he joined the democratic ticket, by branding them as weird. >> these

i don't think that the left got that from tim walz. think anybody if watching that watched tim walz and thought this guy could be president. to be fair, we don't necessarily think that, in my opinion, about kamala harris either. but tim walz certainly didn't do her any favors in that department. howard: was it so friendly at times, briefly, kevin, that they didn't really hold each other can accountable? i mean, there certainly was pushback about obamacare and other issues, but, you know, they seemed the a lot of common if ground which was not the strategy that the democrats were hoping for. >> i think the you're a democrat, you wanted to the see governor walz be a lot more aggressive. i don't think he took advantage of some opportunities where he could really have gotten after j.d. vance, and part of it is his disarming personality. if you want to go after donald trump, he's a pugilist that makes it easier, but going after vance is tougher because he's like, well, you know, you're right, i see your point, which was pretty start on -- s

let's see how tim walz handled his attempt to lower expectations. >> sources now tell cnn that tim walzting off a case the nerves ahead of his debate with senator j.d. vance. he is said to be nervous that he might let kamala harris down. >> and we know he did warn harris during the vetting process that he's a bad debater. >> michael: okay, that might be lowering expectations too much. tim, you want to be more like "my opponent is a slick talker," not "me talk bad, disappoint pretty lady." you want, "i'm new to all this," not "i'm so stupid a dog used peanut butter to trick me into licking his balls." meanwhile, on the republican side, donald trump took a swing at lowering expectations for j.d. vance. remember, mr. trump, the goal is to subtly suggest that j.d. vance might have a hard time at the debate, because he's going up against a skilled debater. show us. >> he's going up against a moron, a total moron. >> michael: crushed it. but it wasn't just the candidates preparing for the debate. the debate moderators were also trying to find ways to keep them honest. now, at the last debate

tim walz is known for many things. his dad style, and of course, launching this weird attack, which has clearly stuck at times. so will we see that presented right to jd vance? and how will jd vance go at tim walz? that's what we're watching for, the debate is two hours away. rachel maddow and our whole team begin special coverage here on msnbc right now. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> the candidates need no introduction. >> i can't wait to debate the guy. >> the first and only

perhaps no one has more knowledge about tim walz's debate style and skill than boys olsen, he has moderated three debates with walz and he joins us now. thank you so much for coming on. you've moderated these three debates with walz. what did you see there and walz has warned harris during the vetting process that he was a bad debater. is that your takeaway? >> that's not my takeaway at all. he's he's a pro at underestimating himself and then delivering in those three debates, he came in with clear themes in new his numbers, and he was very disciplined he also, i think one of the pieces was that he rarely tried to get his opponents to react to him. instead, he just stayed very steady in his own messaging it will be interesting to see because these are two very different debaters, then you have between trump and harris just a curiosity. >> what are his strengths and what are his weaknesses? because you've seen him three separate times doing this. what is it that he needs to be careful of and what is it that his opponent can attack? and what will he do very well in you know i. >> think his we

if we want to say, as tim walz is saying, this is just a problem that republicans have had, i don't wiethat. buy that. >> walz: jan 6th was not facebook ads and i think of revisionist history on this. i don't understand how we got to this point. but the issue was that happened. all of us say there's no place for this. it has massive repercussions. this idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing threatening to kill someone, threatening to something that's not censorship. censorship is book banning. we've seen that. for everyone tonight and -- i'm going to thank senator vance, i think this is the conversation they want to hear. and i think there's a lot of agreement. but this is one that we are miles apart on. this was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen. and it manifested itself because of donald trump's inability to say he is still saying he didn't lose the election. at the lose the 2020 election? >> vance: tim, i'm focused on the future. did kamala harris censor americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation? >> walz: that is

okay tim walz coach walz your boy fumbled bigly on tiananmen square. i mean, he was talking about i'm human. instead, he looked yeah, he lied about that. and maybe people reminded him of his lies about his time in uniform. and so that was bad. not bad. i was i was i then the other thing i was struck by no question on ukraine. one of the biggest issues facing our country and the globe, no question on ukraine. and then my final thought was, what would josh shapiro have done up there tonight? well, my friend governor josh shapiro up on that stage with jd vance. it would have been world heavyweight slugfest between two really intellectual great candidates. and i just wonder if the harris people are thinking maybe we should have picked josh shapiro. >> when you say ten out of ten and velvet fist and so on, by the end of the debate, he was like the guy with like fleet gym shoes on, running away from the question. he wouldn't answer the question about the election. couldn't, because donald trump would not allow him to say that the election was legitimate but

that's why, come november 5th, i'll be casting my vote for kamala harris and tim walz. thanks for listening.

it was tim walz, governor walz with 40 minutes and 42 seconds total.hio senator jd vance, 38 minutes, 59 seconds. you have the opportunity to speak for the next two hours as you call in and comment on the debate and the events of the middle east. let's start off the second hour with terry. terry's in kentucky, independent line. good host: go ahead. caller: i just want to start out by saying that kind of took me by heart. i'm used to growing up having a mother with addiction and things like that. the world is covered with addiction and people don't believe in god and israel is god's plan. if something happens to israel, if they go to destroy his land, it doesn't matter which president, which vice president we like. it is never going to be left up to us. yes, i am independent. i am 42 years old and i've never voted. the reason i've never voted is because i do not think it is left up to us and the american people can have crappy ways about one president or the other but in the end it is not really going to matter. host: republican, north carolina. caller:

>> and tim walz is not a good debater so -- >> he helped j.d. vance -- tim walz helped j.d. vance. he agreed with him a lot. he recognized him. he said i agree with you on so many points, and he allowed him to not come off like a smartass. i'm more like you, i'm folksy, and i'm a teacher and a coach. instead j.d. vance worked for investment firms, peter teal. he didn't bring up any of his background. j.d. vance's approvals went up. he's still below, but he's 72 points below. and but at the same time tim walz approval ratings went up. but does that matter in the end? i'm not even sure. >> if you lose the football game by a field goal or 7 points, he's still under water. i don't see that as ultimately being successful. i think, again, the clips -- you to watch the entire debate and tim walz is not as good a debater as j.d. vance. i went to school with guys like j.d. vance. i knew he was going to be a better debater. but the clips -- his answers in the clips in isolation don't look good. the answers about abortion don't look good. the answers about the economy don't look good. the cli

it was — fact that you had tim walz it was not _ fact that you had tim walz it was not as polished andrvous and out of his realm and i think— nervous and out of his realm and i think that benefited the republican party tonight and as lindy— republican party tonight and as lindy mentioned, you have the moment— lindy mentioned, you have the moment where the moderators muted — moment where the moderators muted the microphone because of d muted the microphone because of jd vance — muted the microphone because of jd vance wanting to basically explain — jd vance wanting to basically explain his stance on illegal immigration that he was trying to explain that kamala harris was using for illegal migrants and they— was using for illegal migrants and they didn't like that answer, so i think that by muting _ answer, so i think that by muting him at that moment it didn't— muting him at that moment it didn't show that he was being misogynistic or rude, they said that they— misogynistic or rude, they said that they were not going to fact— that they were not going to fact check, so whether he was tel

tim walz and j.d. vance will face off for their first and only debate, a debate that you can watch right here. both candidates have now visited the debate site to get their first look at the debate stage. mj lee is there and she joins us now, mj, i know you've been talking to the walls team. how are they preparing to answer questions? obviously, we're going to be talking tonight but what we're seeing unfold between israel and iran yeah, kasie, there's no question that given the events of the past 24 hours, governor walz aides going to be paired to address the situation in the middle east in whatever form it might come up. >> but it's interesting the walls team for the most part, even just in the final hours leading up to tonight s debate has continued to try to lower expectations as one campaign official put it to me, governor walz wasn't picked because he was a great debater. they said j.d. vance will probably we have a good night. look. that is of course part spin that you expect ahead of any debate.

so tim walz needs to work on that. as far as jews and israel being able to defend itself, the caller talked about israel being god's people. middle east needs an ally. the united states needs an ally in the united states and that is who israel is and that is why they're so important. there's another caller talked about narcissist and sick fans. i'm going back and forth in my best friend who is a trump supporter. i want the country to be balanced. i want the country to settle and degrees our issues using the -- address our issues using the full weight of the judicial system. host: let's hear from christine from the republican line. caller: hello. i've been listening to the man calling in and i kind of protect myself by listening to pbs's reason why we have a vice president and that kind of prepared me and i was just astonished to see when nixon and the watergate thing came up how that -- the lor just intervened and a man who had never run for an office was the one that was chosen and then he -- things kept going on and

vance's strengths on tim walz today, tim walz whoppers what, about then what's its strength for vance is relentlessness. what is his weakness gonen well, it's exactly what tim walz is going to use when he goes after vance and that's going to be on the weirdness we're going to hear about childless cat ladies and so forth. >> and kate, i think one of the interesting things for me is i read that tim walz has been holed up in it in a camp doing to bet debate prep at a place called camp. they're calling it camp north star. and that was the name of the camp in i think john berman's favorite bill murray movie meatballs, where bill murray gave a speech that said, it just doesn't matter. it just doesn't matter how big that goes. because well excellent ultimately, this race is about donald trump versus kamala harris, right track versus wrong track. the undercard of the heavyweight fight is always forgotten well, relentlessness and weirdness and meet boldness, just pure goodness. it's really good to see you guys. thanks for coming on thanks, sir. thank you. >> sara john berman loves this meatbal

vance or tim walz.hey dialed in, they paid attention to this, and they saw these two people, one who is evasive, refused to answer questions, and when he did talk about something, he seemed to know something about, he was not able to make an argument. he couldn't even defend the policies of kamala harris. j.d. vance on the other hand was prepared, he was on point. he was able to explain his positions, explain donald trump's positions. and defend them. and i think anybody who did dial in to meet these two, walked away realizing that you had j.d. vance as a serious, thoughtful, engaging person and tim walz is just a -- is a way who is incapable of making the simplest argument. >> laura: but he would be a good neighbor if you want your neighborhood to burn down. that comment. >> i guess. >> laura: charlie, it's funny, because i got some calls after the debate from old law school friends who not particularly fond of president trump. but they are going to vote republican. but they are not huge trump fans. th

at one point, tim walz was giving his position on climate change. something important: his american flag pin, it had some dimension. it wasn't just a 2d flag. it had a wave to it. a point of view. and i like that. so ten points! [cheers and applause] >> michael: ten points? >> oh, and i thought j.d. vance had a very compelling answer about how much donald trump saved obamacare, so plus 10 for that. >> michael: but no, that's exactly what i'm talking about. trump tried to kill obamacare! j.d. vance was lying. >> okay, fine -- plus nine points, whatever. ooh, okay, norah and margaret looked great up there. classy and demure. they get three points for that. but i'll store them with walz since they don't have their own score. >> michael: this is so incredibly unscientific. are you done with this? >> i have one more. walz had a really bad moment where he forget what month he was in china 30 years ago, so that's minus two points. and then on the other hand, j.d. vance supports the overthrow of the u.s. government, so that's also minus two points. >> micha

tim walz is good on policy. schools and all the childcare work he has done, he is really good at that. if he pivots away -- >> and practical. >> and can speak it plainly. if he says, i don't know what you are talking about, jd, but let's have this conversation in turn to people and have a direct conversation with the vote. >> if tomorrow night doesn't go well with j.d. vance, and you know trump will be watching, do you think trump change his mind on a second debate? >> i keep thinking he will change his mind because his manhood would demand it. he couldn't even look at kamala harris in the first debate. now he scared of doing it again? he is maintaining this posture is because he's in a cloistered circle that maybe he has deluded himself into thinking he won't go. i don't know. i'm like the only person he thinks donald trump will debate. it is his ego. he will run home like a little toddler after she wiped the floor with him? he's not going to stand up to her again? >> i hope he is watching. i want to talk about

debate. >> so, jd vance clobbered tim walz last night, vice president at debate. mr. vance had grace, style, humility. resleprelentless messaging and religious grounding. making crucial policies easy to understand, high high -- he was so good, it was quite possible he moved needle for the trump team. it may be unusual for a veep debate but it might do it with 34 days to go before the election, clear that economy. and borderless illegal immigration problem are the two issues too decide this election. mr. vance, on 11 separate occasions during the debate, talked about high take home pay, and low inflation, during the trump years. 11 times. take home pay. that was ronald reagan easy continued to phrase aimed at average working class family, what really money is left in your wallet or pocketbook after taxes and inflation, vance said this key point 11 times. take a listen to one. >> i think you have a tough job, you have to play whack-a-mole pretend d donald trump did not deliver take home pay, he did and he lowered inflatio anonymous y. >> we can get back to an americ

meanwhile, kamala likely regrets picking fellow radical leftist governor tim walz as her running matee joy seems most definitely gone after last night's debate. now we know why the harris campaign, you know, keeps walz very far away from the media. he doesn't do interviews. we know why, because he can't. the governor is a complete and total, well, frankly, buffoon. he's in way over his head like she is, way out of his league and walz looked like a deer in the headlights, so visibly nervous he did not have command of the facts. he seemed ill-prepared, he said some pretty weird, bizarre things. art many people that call themselves a knucklehead in the middle of a debate or brag about being friends with school shooters. take a look. >> governor, you said you were in hong kong during the deadly tiananmen square protest in the spring of 1989. but minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually did not travel to asia until august of that year. can you explain that discr discrepancy? >> to the folks out there, look, i grew up in small, rural nebraska, a town of

but same for tim walz.le in minnesota, nobody really knows who he is so it is not a popularity contest but vance's mission basically tonight is he is not going to try to necessarily make people like him, he has to take the fight to the harris policy agenda, and hit some of those things that president trump didn't hit in his debate. so that all the good vibes and the joy can be exposed. one thing i thought walz has done that i have never understood is he immediately out of the gate made fun of j.d. vance for going to yale. and for becoming a venture capitalist. he said no one that i have taught has ever done that. [laughter] as if j.d. vance was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, which we all read the book, that's obviously not the case. it was a very strange and weird way to attack j.d. vance. i'm looking forward to tonight. i think the other thing that is strange, i think walz has a more difficult position tonight because, like when i was press secretary, someone asked me, what does george bush think a