emily: what is next for tim westergren? t to get back into composing, which is my real passion. and then i would really like to see pandora as a platform to really have a positive social impact. emily: pandora in 10 years, where will it be? tim: it will be global, for one. it will have billions of people on it. i think it will also change what it means to be a musician. and i remember in my early 30's thinking, i feel so much pressure to quit music and go get a job, because i was not making enough money. and i know a lot of musicians who went through that. the vast majority do. and that is a huge loss for our society, because artists do not get to keep making art. it is true of all forms of art. what if music was a more stable career? maybe tens of thousands of musicians could make a living, not just a few hundred. maybe it would literally change the place of music and culture. and that is what i think we can affect. emily: we will check back with you in a decade, i guess. tim westergren, thank you for joining us. great to h

tim westergren: there is a lot of novelty in this space.y are compelling, but they do not become habitual products. we tend to shed those in a hurry. ultimately it is about simplicity. people want to hit a button and hear stuff they love without too much fuss. emily: the founder of pandora does not think apple music is a big deal. adam, what do you think? is this a threat to pandora? is it a threat to spotify? adam: tim said the word product. pandora is an amazing product. the big difference here is that all the other services have much bigger revenue streams band pandora -- van pandora per user. pandora per user. they did a great job on revenue this quarter, but they went from 11 and a half dollars per average user and maybe it is straining to 14 or 15, where is spotted by gets 120. pandora had a moment if you years ago where there the only one on all of these devices. now you have spotify, all of these other services on deck, and now they are in a box because they did this. they did this settlement that makes them only be a radio station.