that said, tim westergren, the company's current ceo and its founder, a couple of days ago over thiss in france at a big conference asked about the possibility of a sale said the following, we're on a path to do something big. and something for the long term. and that's why i got back in the saddle. so no plans for that. meaning a sale. corvex by the way just to refresh when they did come with a 9.9% stake having elected to actually not go after board seats when the window -- before the window closed said we urge the company to immediately engage in independent investment bank with fresh perspective without any prior history of advising in terms of value, they want to maximize including execution of a sales process and to evaluate the results against other options including the risk adjusted value of continuing to operate on a stand alone basis. and they did point out that mr. westergren's public statements suggest he has no intention of comparing alternative option such a sale with the company's current state of affairs. but interesting. sirius, pandora, jim, there are others who be