listen, you and i both know -- let's go back to timothy mcvay, anderson.ow there are some people who have turned to violence. god forbid just awful violence. you go look at oklahoma city because of grudges or hatred or whatever the evil, the dark side, the emotion in their heart and their head, and that's the excuse and that's the motive. but then again, i think in 2010 there were like 12,000 firearm homicides and the motives were all over the place. so i think we have to be very careful not to just categorize and suggest that this is the only motive we ought to be worried about. i think there are broader issues that have to be discussed here. but clearly if he had a grievance against the government for whatever reason we're going to find out a lot more about it. but notwithstanding that, they may have been his motive but i'm not sure you could have done anything to prevent this particular incident from happening. >> tom ridge, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> always good talking with you, anderson. >>> a short time ago the police chief in penns