he has been handing down -- the district judge, timothy kelly -- has been handing down the longest sentences yet. host: when it comes to the 22 years received, how was that reached? what guidelines were given as far as that number is concerned? guest: they total up the sentencing guidance for each of those charges and then there were enhancements for terrorism. the actions he took were intended to influence the government through either intimidation or coercion. his lawyers argued he was not a terrorist or using violent means to achieve his ends. he was convicted of seditious conspiracy. the judge said terrorism could be applied. kelly said he understood it was not trying to blow up buildings or kill people but the standards of interfering with the government applied. enhancements to the sentence were applied. host: did mr. tarrio address the court in any way? guest: he spoke for several minutes. he apologized to law enforcement officers who he said he was not trying to mistreat. he apologized to the citizens of d.c. saying he would not his own city overrun in riot. and he asked for mercy. h

however, judge timothy kelly seems to not be buying that argument essentially telling the lawyers. but you've made this argument during the trial and the jury didn't buy your argument, so i can't really see how this is going to dissuade me from putting down a really harsh punishment of for a good talk to you. they're still going through uh the arguments for a harsher sentence versus a more lenient sentence, but remove no doubt, judge kelly has noted that to tardy who was convicted of suggestions. conspiracy, which is a fancy way of saying, trying to overturn the us government. and so he does not seem inclined to let tar you'll get away with as little of punishment a little as time of prison as he possibly could. but this discussion, this sentencing hearing is still under way, and we'll just have to bring you the judge's ruling when it comes right back with you as when that happens. roles, thanks very much indeed. in the meantime, the fonts is reported to be in totes, with these as ami about the possible withdrawal of some of its troops, thousands of protests as a being rolling outs

the judge, in this case, timothy kelly has clearly taken that on board. he also said the terrier was motivated by revolutionary zeal and that he felt about tar you needed a particularly harsh sentence in order to head off the possibility of any seeing like january 6 happening again. bill to afghanistan or the human world food program is dropping to 1000000 people from food support. the agency blamed a massive shortfall in funding altogether. over $10000000.00 afghans have been dropped from food assistance since the beginning of this year. un is raising the alarm over, shrinking aid to the country, warning of a catastrophe. if things don't change, said the world food program now has to choose between the hungry and the starving in a country where most already don't know where they will get their next me or, or join. now, from kabul by all the, the tc he's the agent editor, as a new humanitarian on the how bad has the situation, the humanitarian situation become for the people in afghanistan since the taliban re gain control. i mean, you just have to look a

so basically what the judge said, the judge in this case, timothy kelly said that this was a national disgrace. that january 6th, a harm the a, the a convent and american convention that supported the rule of law and the constitution that so an american tradition around the peaceful transfer of power had been broken and has been lost in the bigs case. he cited a big's role in tearing down barriers that allowed right, or is the search forward. and for him, that was a meaningful and deliberate step to disrupt the electoral vote ongoing in the capital. at that time. in the rails case, he cited how rail sprayed police officers with chemical irritants. now both man cried in the court room. biggs said that his daughter needed them. real, said that he regretted his actions, but again, we're looking at 17 years for bigs. 15 years for rail, and that represents so the 2nd and 3rd harsh is sought punishments made it out for january 6, respectively with the harshest punishment still going to be oath keeper stewart rhodes, who got 18 years. no. janelle, this is a coming and made the legal troubles

the ground, prosecutors like and him then to a general, not a soldier, the judge, in this case, timothy kelly has clearly taken that on board. he also said the totes area was motivated by revolutionary zeal. and that he felt about tar, you needed a particularly harsh sentence in order to head off the possibility of anything like january 6 happening again. so it was considered something of a king here. now i want to talk about the divisiveness because of a lot of americans saw the january 6 riots as and attempted to, and others just thought as a protest that maybe went too far. so what has been the reaction to this and of the well, i suppose the calendar point to that would be that it, you know, it was american jury's who convicted the proud boys. american jury is composed of ordinary american citizens. so that tells you that there, there is at least a subset of the population that doesn't believe that the proud of boys are experiencing politically motivated persecution, just for protesting. but i think a few things here will stand out in the national imagination, right? so the proud boys all

it seems as if judge timothy kelly might be inclined to grant the prosecutors much if not all of what they want, which is to send every guitar real to prison for 33 years for instigating is largely the subset the january 6th attacks by members of the proud boys and other far right to group members, the kremlin says it has no comments on us reports of north cris. lita will travel to russia later this month. us diplomats suspect that kim jong is planning to send weapons to russia for the war and ukraine. and the us national security advisor at this warning for p on game providing weapons to russia for use on the battlefield to attack grain silos and the heating infrastructure of major cities as we had into winter to try to concord territory that belongs to another sovereign nation is not gonna reflect well on north korea and they will pay a price for this. the front says, reported to be in toilets with these guys on the, about the possible withdrawal of some of its troops. these guys q leaders have been a june from withdrawal 1500 troops stationed and his order the front turned both of

in the 1st instance, on the charge of suspicious conspiracy, judge timothy kelly seemed to indicate that he felt that there needed to be some sort of enhancement to a prison sentence. because of what he said was a key disruption in the ongoing transfer of power. in the us government, diego, listen to a lot of evidence being workforce by prosecutors in which they suggested that tardy and showed no remorse in the days leading up to. and on january 6th, 2021 us. that's all the us official has one to north korea that that'll be a price to pay. if it supplies weapons to russia for it's for ukraine. it follows reports that north korea's leader will travel to russia for torques linked to this month. from this is reported to be in discussions with images, ami about the possible withdrawal some of its troops. thousands of protests as have been routing outside the french richard, facing the capital beyond me. he says coolly, this wants phones to withdraw its soldiers and this order differential buses, a to leave powers has refused saying it doesn't recognize vince has authority and 6 soldiers have

prosecutors had sought 33 years for tarrio, but judge timothy kelly decided that was too long kelly also sentenced four other proud boys last week to lengthy prison terms, but far less than prosecutors had asked for. some of them seen here at the capitol >> american citizens are storming the capitol, taking it back right now there's millions of people out here this is [ bleep ] crazy. >> this is such history. >> reporter: tarrio and three other proud boys were convicted in may of seditious conspiracy prosecutors said their goal was to orchestrate violence to keep then-president trump in office. and that the proud boys were behind every major breach of the capitol during the attack afterwards, on cnn, tarrio ridiculed members of congres who huddled in fear as rioters breached the building. >> i'm not going to cry about a group of people that don't give a crap about their constituents >> reporter: but a different tone in court today, telling the judge, "i am not a political zealot." and saying, "to the men and women of law enforcement who answered the call that day, i'm sorry. >> ken, this

prosecutors had sought 33 years for tarrio but judge timothy kelly decided that was too long. kelly also sentenced four other proud boys last week to lengthy prison terms but far less than prosecutor also asked for. some of them seen here at the capitol. >> american citizens are storming the capitol, taking it back right now there's millions of people out here this is [ bleep ] crazy. >> this is such history. >> reporter: tarrio and three other proud boys were convicted in may of seditious conspiracy prosecutors said their goal was to keep president trump in office and that the proud boys were behind every major breach of the capitol during the attack afterwards on cnn he ridiculed members of congress who huddled in fear as rioters breached the building >> i'm not going to cry about a group of people who don't give a crap about their constituents. >> reporter: but his different tone in court saying i am not a political zealot the judge called tarrio's apology better than nothing but said he didn't believe tarrio was remorseful for the crimes he was convicted of >> ken, thank y

actually want to read some of what a judge has said — the us district courtjudge in this case, timothy kellytold nordean during his sentencing, he said, "i think it's a tragedy how you got "from to a to b". he then went on to say "maybe your upbringing was better, "with no criminal record" but nordean clearly, in this case, did not have that non—existing criminal record in this case. he was clearly involved in all of what went on that day with the proud boys, receiving this very hefty sentence of 18 years — is tied with stewart rhodes from the oath keepers. he also received 18 years with his involvement on everything that went on that day. so, quite a serious case in this case, like a lot of others involved with proud boys, this is seditious conspiracy charge, essentially trying to overthrow the us government. that's why prosecutors gave such an impassioned argument to try and get the sentencing up there in terms of years, in terms of length of years, but 18 years is quite a lengthy sentence and tied for the longest sentence, as both you and i mentioned. yeah, willie, just to follow up on th

i actually want to read some of what a judge has said, the us district courtjudge in this case timothy kellywas a tragedy how you got to a to b and went on to say may your upbringing was battle with no criminal record but nordean clearly in this case did not have that nonexisting criminal record in this case. he was clearly involved in all of what went on in that day with the proud boys to receive the hefty sentence of 18 years with stewart rhodes from the oath keepers also received 18 years with his involvement of everything that went on that day so quite a serious case like a lot of others involved with proud boys, seditious conspiracy charge essentially trying to overthrow the us government. that is why you was prosecutors gave such an impassioned argument to try and get the sentencing up there in terms of years, length of years, but 18 years is quite a lengthy sentence for the long sentence that both you and i mention. to follow up on that some critics have said that these are particularly harsh sentences for these men. what more can you tell us about that? they're lengthy sentences inde

but judge timothy kelly, who sentenced tarrio to the longest jail sentence yet for any january 6th defendant the capitol had been breached. "proud of my boys and my country. don't expletive leave." >> the jury agreed with the government that he directed this, that he recruited the individuals who were in place and led the assault on the capitol with the express intention of preventing the peaceful transfer of power. >> reporter: tarrio's attorney sought leniency, arguing he wasn't at the capitol that day, watching from a hotel in baltimore. a prior arrest had banned him from traveling to d.c. but prosecutors laid out how tarrio mobobilized a g group of to m march on ththe capitol,l, g that they would turn out in record numbers that day and responding to president trump's 2020 debate comment. >> stand back and stand by. >> reporter: tarrio writing "standing by, sir." his proud boys co-defendants received sentences ranging from 10 to 18 years, one of whom, dominic pezzola, shouted "trump won" in the courtroom moments after his sentencing ended. >> and scott macfarlane is back with us from just

judge timothy kelly said biggs was part of a mob that brought an entire branch of government to heel.y, zachary rehl,, presisident of the phililadelphia c chapter of f t proud boys, seen here with biggs. he was sentenced to 15 years, less than the 30 prosecutors wanted. they say rehl spent weeks organizing the capitol attacks. in a separate trial, january 6th defendant brandon fellows was convicted on five counts today, but jurors in the case revealed they're concerned about their personal safety, writing to judge trevor mcfadden to confirm fellows doesn't have any of their personal information that's usually shared with attorneys on both sides. fellows is representing himself in court. mcfadden would only say that jurors' personal information is destroyed at the end of a case. meanwhile, former president donald trump pleaded not guilty in the georgia election interference case and waived his right to appear at the arraignment next wednesday in atlanta. it likely would have aired live on television. in fact, late today, the judge in that case ruled that whenever trump's trial official

. >> timothy kelly. >> william hill kelly junior. >> robert clinton kennedy. >> my uncle, i'm so proud to be named after you. i love hearing stories about you and i try to follow your example showing kindness to everyone i meet and our family misses you and we ask you to please continue watching over us. you will never be forgotten uncle nole. >> my uncle. richard michael. even though we never met, i always wonder how good of an uncle you would have been. i will always love you and always hold a special place in my heart. >> bill: those two young men met the moment. try to follow your example. a bit earlier we heard a comment we love you to the moon and back and every one of those salutations, dana, really just tugs at you and how could it not? we are coming up on another moment at 10:28 a.m. when the north tower collapses. >> dana: i have loved how they have the young people all connected in some way to people they never met but they stand there side-by-side and bravely read those names and we really mean it when we say never forget. this moment of silence really takes that hour and a

but judge timothy kelly who sentenced tarrio to the longest jail sentence yet for any january 6th defendantt after the capitol had been breached "proud of my boys and my country. don't expletive leave." >> the jury agreed with the government that he directed this that he recruited the individuals who were in place and led the assault on the capitol. with the express intention of preventing the peaceful transfer of power. >> reporter: tarrio's attorneys sought leniency arguing he was not at the capitol that day. watching from a hotel in baltimore. a prior arrest banned him from traveling to d.c. but prosecutors laid out how tarrio mobilized 200 to march the capitol saying they would turn out in record numbers ththat day, anand respondiding o trtrump's 202020 debate cocomme. >> statand back anand stand byb. >> reporter: tarrio writing "standby, sir." his proud boys codefendants serving ten to 18 years, one of whom pazzola shouting "trump won" after his sentencing ended. >> norah: and scott macfarlane is back with us just outside the courthouse. this is the most severe sentence for the more th

in the 1st instance on the charge of seditious conspiracy, judge timothy kelly seemed to indicate that he felt that there needed to be some sort of enhancement to a prison sentence. because of what he said was a key disruption in the ongoing transfer of power. in the us government, diego, listen to a lot of evidence being workforce by prosecutors in which they suggested that tore it showed no remorse in the days leading up to and on january 6th, 2021. however, mister charles lawyers argued that tarry of didn't have any real control over the people who called themselves proud boys, and that he certainly did not tell them to reach a security fence around the capitol hill complex. even though the evidence was presented in court, which the jury believed that how are you actually did just that was the one jordan elder, 0 outside the federal court health in washington. i'm one of the slow and is a former federal prosecutor and attorney, the expertise and government ethics. she explains patios role in the group. the last week we saw other defendants got 17 and 18 year sentences and tarry. o w

judge timothy kelly said biggs was part of a mob that brought an entire branch of government to heal. president of the philadelphia chapter of the proud boys, seen here with biggs. [chanting] he was sentenced to 15 years, less than the 30 prosecutors wanted. they say rehl spent weeks organizing the capitol attacks. in a separarate trial,l, januarh defendant brandon fellows was convicted on five counts today, but jurors in the case revealed they are concerned about their personal safety, writing to judge trevor mcfadden to confirm fellows does not have any of the personal information that is usually shared with attorneys on both sides. fellows is representing himself in court. mcfadden would only say that jurors' personal information is destroyed at the end of a case. meanwhile, former president donald trump pleaded not guilty in the georgia election interference case and waived his right to appear at the arraignment next wednesday in atlanta. it likely would have aired live on television. in fact, late today, the judge in that case ruled that whenever trump's trial officially begins,

district judge timothy kelly said tarrio has not shown any remorse and the 22 years is longer of any member of the proud boys that have been sentenced and longest for any january 6 case. tarrio wasn't at the capitol that day, he had been arrested days earlier and banned from being in the city. but prosecutors said he was in touch with members of the proud boys and he encouraged their attack. the judge said mr. tarrio was the ultimate leader, the ultimate person who organized, who was motivated by revolutionary zeal. the judge added what happened that day did not honor the founders. it was the kind of thing that they wrote the constitution to prevent. tarrio was dressed in an orange jump suit and orange slip-on sneakers. he leaned against the lectern in front of the courtroom and hung his head as the judge handed down his lengthy sentence and he apologized to police officers who were injured at the capitol, some of them by name. and he kept his composure except when his mother spoke to the court begging for the judge to give him a break. an attorney for tarrio signaled that the senten

prosecutors had sought 33 years for tarrio, but judge timothy kelly it does love it that was too long. kelly also sentenced for other purposes last week to lengthy prison terms. but far less than prosecutors had asked for. some of them is seen here at the capitol. >> american citizens are storming the capital, taking it back right now. there is millions of people here. this is crazy. >> tarrio and three other proud boys were convicted and may of seditious conspiracy. prosecutors said their goal was to orchestrate violence to keep then-president trump in office. and the proud boys were behind every major breach of the capitol during the attack. afterwards on cnn, tarrio ridiculed members of congress who huddled and fear as rioters breached the building. >> i'm not going to cry about a group of people who don't give a crap about their constituents. >> but a different tone in court today. to the judge, i am not a political zealot and saying to the men and women of law enforcement who entered the call today, i'm sorry. >> we're also following the latest in the georgia election interferenc

the judge timothy kelly responded, well you made that argument to the jury and the jury did not believehat, jake. >> right. they're considering terrorist charges against him. how does his sentence compare to the other proud boy members. are there different factors that are being weighed here? >> reporter: well, yeah. because he is the leadership. he is the leader of the group. that is what prosecutors are emphasizing and the judge seems to be going along with that. right now we're waiting for the judge to make a final decision. another took over leadership because tarrio was not able to get in the capitol, and he got 17 years, zachary rehl 15 years and dominic pezola 10 years. and the judge was weighing whether to add a terrorism enhancement, that could add about ten years or so to the sentence. the judge accepted that, jake, but as he -- we don't know yet whether he's going to allow that to be part of the sentence. in the previous four sentencing he accepted the terrorism enhancement but then brought it back down. so we don't know yet whether he will allow that enhancement to increase

judge timothy kelly told the court, quote, i don't have any indication that he's remorseful for the actual things that he's convicted of. tarrio is the last of the five proud boys defendants to be sentenced. other leaders in that group as well as the oath keepers are facing sentences between 10 and 18 years in prison. all of which is considerably less than what the prosecutors asked for. now, even though tarrio was seen the night before the insurrection in a capitol hill parking garage alongside stewart rhodes, he wasn't actually at the capitol on january 6th. he was at a hotel in baltimore. the proud boys leader was arrested days prior for his actions at another pro-trump rally where he burned a black lives matter banner that he stole from a d.c. church and was ordered to stay out of the city. still, prosecutors today called tarrio's behavior a calculated act of terrorism and warned that the proud boys came dangerously close to succeeding in their plot to use violence to overturn the 2020 election, telling the judge, there was a very real possibility we were going to wake up on january 7t

district judge timothy kelly said tarrio was "the ultimate leader of that conspiracy." tarrio received the stiffest sentence even though he was not on the day of january 6 since he had been arrested in a separate case days earlier and was ordered to stay away from d.c. during the trial, prosecutors had portrayed the proud boys as having served as donald trump's army on january 6. last week, four other proud boys were sentenced to between 10 and 18 years in prison. u.s. secretary of state antony blinken has arrived in kyiv on an unannounced visit to ukraine. this is blinken's fourth trip to ukraine since the russian invasion but for the first time blinken plans to spend the night. he is expected to announce a new package worth more than $1 billion in u.s. aid for ukraine. >> we want to make sure ukraine has what it needs not only to succeed in the counteroffensive but has what it needs for the long-term to make sure it has a strong defense capacity so that future aggressions like this don't happen again. amy: blinken's visit came just hours after russian cruise missiles

in the 1st instance, on the charge of suspicious conspiracy, judge timothy kelly seemed to indicate that he felt that there needed to be some sort of enhancement to a prison sentence. because of what he said was a key disruption in the ongoing transfer of power. in the us government, diego, listen to a lot of evidence being workforce by prosecutors in which they suggested that tardy and showed no remorse in the days leading up to. and on january 6th, 2021. i taught us the official has one to north korea that they'll be a price to pay if it supplies weapons to rush efforts for a new crane. it follows reports that north korea's need, that will travel to russia later this month. providing weapons to russia for use on the battlefield to attack grain silos and the heating infrastructure of major cities as we had into winter to try to concord territory that belongs to another sovereign nation is not going to reflect well on north korea and they will pay a price for this schools in front of send thousands of muslim girls home for wearing a bias. front band, the government in schools last week.

judge timothy kelly, a trump appo appointee, said 33 years seemed too long, akin to blowing up buildingsing troops. but he said this case is an obvious outlier. he said there is no doubt that enrique tarrio was the ultimate leader of the conspiracy, the seditious conspiracy that he and three other members of the proud boys, three other leaders of the proud boys, were ultimately convicted of. now, as we've been talking about, five members of the proud boys were part of this very historic trial. this is not a charge that is brought very often by the justice department. you have to go back decades to see another successful case where this has been brought. but this is what we have here. enrique tarrio, 22 years. we have 18-year sentences for another member, ethan 94 nordea and stewart rhodes, they got 18 years. the judge set aside some of the words from enrique tarrio who spoke to the court, saying he was sorry, he was sorry for what happened on january 6th, he called it a national embarrassment. he apologized to the police officers. he apologized to the citizens of the district of columbia

the judge timothy kelly said from the bench pezzola was, quote, the tip of the sphere th spear that allowedhe capitol. another right wing pro-trump group also received 18 years. judge kelly reminded both men on friday the violence on january 6et broke the u.s. tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. the judge said during sentencing, if we don't have peaceful transfer of power, i don't know what we have. in all of the cases the proud boys have apologized for their role in the violence, pleading, sometimes crying before the judge. pezzola minutes after claiming he was a changed man left the courtroom after the sentencing by raising his fist and declaring trump won. omar, amara? >> thank you. >> look, there is a lot to talk about here when it comes to donald trump and the amount of cases. i want to start in georgia though in particular there. i want your reaction to trump wanting to separate his case from others. is this typical? what is the significance here? >> well, it makes sense he wants to server the case. he doesn't necessarily want to be with all of these lesser people just as the l

district court judge timothy kelly did agree to apply a terrorism enhancement in calculating their sentences. judge kelly, who was appointed by donald trump, talked about what happened on january 6, 2021 saying -- "that day broke our tradition of peacefully transferring power. the mob brought an entire branch of government to heel." after the sentencing, biggs and rehl's attorney norman pattis spoke to reporters outside the courthouse. >> where is donald trump and all of this? he stood on the lips, basically told people, 74 million of his followers, election is stolen, go to the capitol, fight like hell. some people listened to him. were they supposed to know he was full of hot air? and was people -- was he full of hot air? i look forward to his trial. >> [inaudible] >> do i blame him? as judge kelly noted in the rehl sentencing, it is a mitigating factor but not a justifying or excusing factor. you know, if your president tells you, your country has been stolen, the country that people fought and died for, people are trying to take your vote from you, how are you supposed to react to that?

judge timothy kelly recognized the technical electability of the terrorism enhancement. judge kelly decided not to at that to the sentence. judge kelly served as an assistant u.s. attorney in the district of columbia for ten years. then worked as a litigator and a measure washington law firm. he doesn't pick up a member of the federalist society 12 years after graduating from law school. and then he had the easiest possible ride to confirmation as a federal judge after serving on the staff of the senate judiciary committee as a counsel to republican chairman of the committee, chuck grassley. chairman grassley got kelly known as a federal judge in the fourth month of the trump presidency. his confirmation sailed through the judiciary committee with a unanimous vote and got enough votes on the senate floor. judge kelly had to know that if donald trump were to win the next presidential election, judge kelly would have absolutely no chance of being elevated by donald trump to the supreme court or the court of appeals, after issuing a 22 year sentence to the leader of donald

the judge timothy kelly said tarrio mobilized a group of 200 men amped up for the battle and circling the capitol. adding, quote, mr. tarrio was the ultmal leader, the ultimate person who organized and was motivated by revolutionary zeal. i don't have any indication he is remorseful for the actual things he was convicted of. tarrio's lawyers sought leniency, arguing their client was a, quote, misguided patriot who wasn't even at the capitol that day but in a baltimore hotel room watching the events unfold. here he is the night before the attack in a garage meeting with leaders of the oath keepers. tarrio was arrested about 48 hours before the attack because of his actions at a previous pro-trump event in washington. his sentence follows those of four other proud boys who received substantial prison terms though all far below what prosecutors originally wanted. so far about 1,100 people have been charged in connection with the capitol attack, and more than 300 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. we go to georgia now on another legal matter where every single codefendant in

>> well, we will be seeing some harsh sentences from the judge timothy kelly.ook, i sat in on this sentencings that happened yesterday. and you just can't come away without feeling that these were the people that were victims of the lies told by the former president who urged his followers to come to the capitol hn january 6th, and these are the two men sentenced yesterday. joseph biggs got 17 years and zachary reel got 15 years and they spoke tearfully to the court, and they were very, very sorry for their roles in the events on january 6th. and both of them, military men in the case of biggs who is a former army man and reel was also a former marine. both of them are going to have their daughters grow up without them being around. that is something that was weighing on them, as they spoke to the judge and spoke to the courtroom yesterday. their lawyer who i think spoke to the lawyers after the two sen tenni sent sentensings put the blame squarely on the president. >> it was unfair and we felt that the judge was in the probation department of the 10-year range

during the hearing today the federal judge, timothy kelly, who i should note was appointed by former president donald trump, scolded tarrio and said he was, quote, motivated by revolutionary zeal while slandering the father of our country, referring to george washington. he called tarrio the ultimate leader of a seditious conspiracy to overthrow the u.s. government by force. i should note that tarrio was not actually even in washington on january 6th. but that's because he had been arrested two days before the attack and was ordered by a judge to leave the city. prosecutors say that he did help create a command structure, that he was in touch with co-defendants on the ground that day as the attack unfolded. he is now the final proud boys leader convicted of seditious conspiracy to receive his punishment. for more on this let's go to cnn's senior justice correspondent evan perez. evan, obviously one of the longest sentences of anyone who has been charged in the attack. and the judge clearly seemed to think that a stiff punishment was necessary to deter future political violence. >> th

jim timothy kelly said that pezzolo was the tip of the spear that allowed the people to get into the capitol that day, that was one of the reasons why he gave a sentence of ten years, not as harsh as what prosecutors having asking for. in many of the cases prosecutors have been asking for 30 plus years for some of these men, the members of the far right group the proud boys, you pointed out ethan nordean is facing his sentencing in the next hour or so, also at the federal court. he is a member from seattle who was a leader of the group, again, one of those who was convicted of seditious conspiracy, brianna. >> evan, thank you for the latest on that. we do appreciate it. >>> all right. joining me now is cnn's sara murray, and michael moore. share let's start with today's not guilty plea by kenneth chesebro, the architect of the fake electors plot in the trump campaign. how significant is this not guilty plea? >> it would be surprising if he decided to plead guilty. every signal so far is that he is intending to fight this. he is the first person who asked for a speedy trial. we've see