timothy mcveigh wasn't a genius.ers of people, and you that intent over several years, and you have access to weapons, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to causality of damage and kill a lot of people. i think that's what timothy mcveigh proved. these people, as much as there wasn't an immediate threat to the united states, they had firearms training, they were talking about martyrdom. we don't have much of a choice at that point. >>> and they got caught. >> and they got caught. >> thank you. thank you for watching today. i'm contessa brewer. tamron halls picks up things next. i'm going to say this. you probably want to stick around because the last couple days have been dynamite. the latest of a potential deal in the white house on health care and more on the professor gates controversy. the 911 caller speaking out for the first time. watch for it on msnbc. specially formulated to promote hairball control and healthy weight. friskies indoor wet cat food. feed the senses. as we get older, our bodies become... l

before we take another call, timothy mcveigh has asked to be executed in the oklahoma city bombing andasked it to be telecast. should it be? >> i don't know. i'm of a mixed opinion about that. the fact that he asked it be telecast is the one factor th that -- i'm not inclined to agree with anything timothy mcveigh wants. >> larry: or how about the telecasting of execution? >> the telecasting of any execution, i think, is sensationalism beyond necessity. i don't see where the value of it is. if execution were committed in such a manner as to be heinous and bloody and horrible, it's such that it might deter others from committing such horrible crimes, then it might be advisable. but it's a simple process today, a shot in the arm. >> larry: but if it were shown tomorrow night, the world would watch? >> oh, the world would watch, but isn't that murfreesboro, tennessee. >> caller: i would like to know if you ever consider getting back into broadcasting? >> well, if you're suggesting somebody's about to make an offer, i might listen to it. >> larry: have you had offers over the years, the la

they mention timothy mcveigh.it went on to say that large numbers of potentially violent neo-nazi skinhead and others are now learning the art of warfare in the united states military. this report was ready to. pat robinson said that somebody was either a left winger or gay. you know the other criticisms. most of the criticisms were coming from the political right. it was not as the pat robinson's of the world. they were attacking the good men and women of the united states military. that is not what the report was doing. those were disingenuous criticisms. this report says that there many people were going to be coming from the military from iraq, iran, and others in coming back home and not finding jobs, being frustrated, and very disgruntled. those people, not all of them, our prime targets for improvement by the radical rising organizations that i mentioned. the second point is report made was that we are training in the united states military individuals who already are involved in a neo-nazi activity. we see

now, i think to remember, fear of the militia, i think, was triggered in many parts by timothy mcveigh100 people in oklahoma city. i agree however that people should not be persecuted for their ideas. i think that the idea that right now, we are demonizing a new brown scare and we're demon highing the militia movement. if you want to see tactics of scare, see my e-mail. ewhat's written about me he on the web from parts of these movements. not all of it, but part of it. it is meant to intimidate me and it's meant to intimidate a lot of other people and this is what i talk about, with civil discourse. we have -- equality is the key to our political discourse. if i don't treat you, if you vote differently than me, i must abide by that. if i don't, and if i think i have the right to nullify your vote with a gun, we don't have a democracy. and on the final point about the idea he that muslim -- anti-muslim feelings are dissipating, many parts of the militia movement and the gun rights movement are fueled by what they call islamic fascism and they use that over and over again to bring people

. >> the door should be always timothy mcveigh closed. i was always afraid of this. >>reporter: once again the suspect has been found. he was hiding under a sink and now m police custody and no one was hurt during this seven hour ordeal in east baltimore. tonight at 10:00 we have more on the happy reunion between the parents and the kids. live in east baltimore, fox 45 news at 5:30. >>> deadly night in baltimore city. 2 murders occurred in the 1700 block of division street and northwest walt more. officer found 18-year-old man lying in the street. then about 12:30 this morning a double shooting in the 2900 block in east baltimore. one of the victims died. >> police in essex are investigating a stabbing at the 300 block of shag bark road around 3:00 a.m. today. paramedic took a 21-year-old woman to the hospital. police are now searching for a suspect. >>> baltimore county soccer coach is charged with soliciting sex from a minor. karen parks live at baltimore county police headquarters with more on how the coach was arrested. karen? >>reporter: well, police say 32-year

you know that timothy mcveigh got his training in the u.s.rmy. >> do you think that the obama administration should establish an office of tolerance and the white house and federal agencies, like president bush's office of faith based initiatives because the nation is faced with an increase in white supremacist activities? >> i do not think that president obama should have an office of acceptance and tolerance because of hate groups and their activities. i think apple -- i think that the whole focus of governments, from state and national and federal levels should be acceptance and tolerance. i do not know that the particular cabinet position is necessary because all aspects of the garment deal with this subject, whether it is the department of housing, hud, the justice department. we simply need a focus. we need a national "makes it out" day. and -- "mix it up"sday. when people in schools sit together at lunch, it is the first time that they have a chance, many of them, to do this. it should not just be the one day fare. it has to be somethi

into the game and reframes the way we have to look at it al qaeda 2.0 but the next version of a timothy mcveigh because you don't have to persuade a robot that is going to be received by seven virgins and haven't to convince it to blow itself up. but these ruppel lookbacks the what to other areas. for example on art and politics, one of the people i-- was assisted-- ronald reagan and this is what he had to say. quote, i like the systems because they save lives. but i also worry about were marketed station, hamar shock and awe talk to defray discussion of the cost of war. people are more likely to support it did they view it as cost lisper coe i thought that was a pretty interesting quote in terms of capturing the effect on our politics and some of the trends that are active right now, the robotics may take the final logical and in point. that is as you well know, we don't have a draft anymore. we don't declare war anymore. we don't buy bonds to pay higher taxes for wars anymore. nally habit trend it takes more and more of those who would be going into harm's way and out sources that to machines

the game they would have to look at al qaeda to .0 but also the next generation version of the timothy mcveigh because you don't have to persuade a robot that is received by 70,000 in having to convince itself to blow up. but these ripple effect quote in other areas for example of our own politics and of the other people i thought it is well as former assistant secretary of defense for ronald reagan and this is what he had to say. quote, i like the systems because they save lives. but i also worry about more marketization of war. more shock and all talk to defray discussion of the costs of war. people are likely to support the use of force if they view it as cost less. and i thought that was a pretty interesting quote in terms of capturing the affect on our politics and some of the trends active right now that robotics me take to the final ending point that is we don't have a draft anymore, we don't declare war any more. we don't pay higher taxes for the war anymore and now we have a trend that takes more and more who would be going in harm's way and our sources that to machines. and so we may

. >> fox 5's timothy mcveigh -- dave ross has the story. that would have been a par putt on his last hole of regulation and then he went to a playoff and ended up losing in the four- hole playoff. this one will be remembered as the one that watson let get away when he had a historic victory there in his grasp. >> well be coming in this week, i could have dreamed it, yes, the way i was playing. i felt i was playing well. and i knew how to play this golf course. and it was almost. the dream almost came true. >> would have been his first major in 26 years. >> i know. it was so close. >> not so close for our nationals. it was another loss for them. they were roughed up by the chicago cubs yesterday, 11-3. the nats were swept in the four- game series. new manager jim riggleman still looking for his first win. >>> dave ross asked to be a guest judge at the first-ever grill-off. a chef who was the finallest on the next food network star show went head to head against chel phil bucco who oversees the food operations at national park. each one had 4

timothy mcveigh ross with you.ats have been dismal. 0-5 coming in play against the mets. this on the heels of having the worst record in the entire league before the all-star break. you guess on the positive side, they're consistent. the mets in town. died wright from virginia beach trying to do damage against john lanham. in night belonged to lanham. trying to close out a seven-hit shutout. 4-0 in the ninth. first win for riggleman and this game is -- dropped by alberto gonzales. riggleman cannot believe it. he with not give in and he would get the final out. gonzales redeems himself right there. the nats, the first win for jim rigle machine. congratulation. john lanham, his first ever complete game shutout. nats win 4-0. >>> tase unite in the u.s. open cup. this is a beenalitiy kick. late are being tied up at one p . check out this long ball. he will score, right? wrong. the deflection and way great jump shot right there. a goal. and d.c. united ad vans to the u.s. open finals. >>> the caps season doesn't start i

terrorists like omar abd, the blind shkhand timothy mcveigh and the unomber guy and chard id and charles frking manson have all been in prison in someone's town without cint. even vy wl-known people, like the unaboer, timothy mcveig zacarias moussaoui, charles nson, all some examples of bad guys who have been safely held in u. prisons. among those people they among those op that i mentiod, the unabomber, eodore kaczynski. he was convicted of domestic mbing campaign that began in 1978 and lasted nearlywo decades. he killed three people and injured 23 more. his targets were maiy universities and airlis, bastions of the morn technology that mr. kaczynski despised. living alo in a very small cabin in montana, it wasn't unti1995 when parts of the unabomber manifesto wa published in newspaperthat mr. kaczynski's sister-in-law shared her suspions with her husband, david, that ted mit be the unabomber. david, ted's younger brother, recognized his brother's sle of writing and belie in the manifesto anentually he took hisuspicions to the fbi. ted kaynski was arrested at in his remote cabin on apri

before we take another call, timothy mcveigh has asked to be executed in the oklahoma city bombing, and asked it to be telecast. should it be? >> i don't know. i have a mixed opinion about that. the fact that he asked it be telecast is the one factor that would litigate against it happening to me. and i'm not inclined to want to yield to anything tim think mcveigh wants. >> larry: how about the telecasting of executions. >> the telecasting of any ex-cution i think is sensationalism beyond necessity. i don't see where the value of it is. if execution were committed in such a manner as to be heinous and bloody and horrible, such that it might deter others from committing such horrible crimes, then it might be advisable. but it's a simple process today. a shot in the arm of a narcotic. >> larry: but if it were shown a shot in the arm tomorrow night, the world would watch? >> oh, the world would watch but isn't that sensationalism? >> larry: mur freesboro, tennessee, how are you? >> caller: hi, larry, how are you? >> larry: fine. >> caller: mr. cronkite, i would like to know if you ever con

mayor adrian fenty responded to our fox 5 investigation vftion by timothy mcveighing quintana j if sheere, she would be the first to say no way in the world have all the problems been ironed out but you look it a certain pace of reform and she has been able to get a good pace and although we still have a long way to go. >> she won't talk to us. we can't get her to talk to us. why that is? why can't we get her to answer the questions. >> e-mailed, contacted your office. calling. the folk like the fop are saying they're hiding something. >> what are they saying we're hiding? >> they're claiming there is bad training, no actability. you guys fox 5 and all the outlets have come over. i'm pretty sure we've had no shortage of at least four press conferences there and janice quintana is always there to talk to you. >> reporter: but she wasn't the day we showed up. security guards wouldn't let us past these gates and quintana refuseto answer our questions. >> my first reaction is that the director ought to be responsive. she ought to be answering questions about what is going on. >> reporter:

terroris like omar abul, the blindsheikh, and timothy mcveigh and the uniboer guy, and richa reid andne's hometown wiout incident. soone like the unibomber. zacarias mouaoui, arles manson, all some examples of bad guys who have been fely held in u.s. isons. amg those people they ntioned, the unibomb. theodore kaczynski. he wasonvicted of a domesti bombing campaignhat began in 78 and lasted nearly two decades. he killed three peoplend injured 23 more. his targets were mainly universitiesnd rlines, stions of the modern technology tha mr. kaczynski despised. living alone in a very sll can in montana, it wasn't un1995 wen parts of the unibomber manisto was published in newspapers that mr. kaczynski's si-in-law shared he suspicio with her sband, david, that ted might be the unibomber. david, ted' younger brother, recognized his other's sty of writing andeliefs in the manifesto and evtually he took his spicions to the fbi. ted kaczyki was arrested at his remote cabin in math april 3rd, 1996. he's currently serving a life term in the federal supermax prison in colorado. david kaczynski, d's

somebody of middle eastern or arab desce descent, especially talking about domestic terrorism, a la timothy mcveigh. >> when people talk about what they look, we're talking about racial profiling. with mr. boyd, he looks all american. there's an important caveat for everybody. it's not a question of race. it's a question of action. and in this particular instance we're seeing someone who is radicalized overseas, came back here, and decided based on the indictment, to undertake a series of steps aimed at conducting attacks. we need to get away from what was 9/11, of course, being attacked by an al qaeda-based organization made up exclusively of middle eastern males. what the next threat may look like may look completely different and domestically we're seeing something that is completely different. >> what more do we know about this boyd, in terms of how he lived his life. the scary thing is he is everybody's next door neighbor. what else do we know about him? >> very little right now based on the indictment. we know he traveled to afghanistan, pakistan. he claimed to have fought in the jihad. he wa

essentially, what they believed is that we have to put up with idiots like timothy mcveigh in order to be free. >> last comment i think that wasn't within the constitution but it was an idea is that the people didn't give up the locking idea. that's partly where we disagree on these things. but i think it's been a real interesting debate and thank you very much. >> thank you. [applause] >> joshua horowitz is a visiting scholar at the johns hopkins bloomberg school of public health. robert churchill is an associate professor of history at the university of hartford and has published several articles. for more information on robert churchill, go to hartford.edu for joshua horowitz you can go to jhsph.edu. >> university of maryland sociology professor patricia hill collins said public education is heavily influenced by the media and influence of institutional racism. busboys and poets in washington, d.c. hosted this event. it's an hour, 15 minutes. >> i am thrilled to be here tonight. i have a tremendous admiration for busboys and poets and what is done here on a regular basis. and i have

you just heard about timothy mcveigh, killing 168 people. you could also consider him a loan nut. house largest number of people killed in the united states in any terrorist act until the world trade center. there have been numerous plots and oklahoma city. you will see a listing of these incidents involving bombings, plots to blow up federal buildings, plots to assassinate federal judges, and many, many more. thanks to the very good work of the fbi, justice department, local and state and federal police, most of these plots have been stopped. since the election of president obama we have seen a rash of serious incidences that have been caused by domestic terrorism. on a tour 24, two skinheads were involved in a plot to assassinate president obama. they were with the supreme white alliance. ready for the murder took place, we were taking the head of the group to court. i can tell you from the testimony we brought out in court and from the dealing with these people that they were dead serious. they would kill president obama if they could. on december 16, before president obama was