no problem. >>> in january 1993, timothy mcveigh is frustrated by the dead-end existence he has been since leaving the army and still is shaken by his experiences in the gulf war. eager to figure out his mission in life, mcveigh packs up his car and says good-bye to his quiet hometown of pendleton, new york. >> i lasted at home for one year and one month. this whole neighborhood, this ain't for me. i don't have a place here, i haven't fallen in love, and then i hit the road. >> the odyssey that he was living in the early '90s was really bizarre. he thought nothing of getting in his car and driving hundreds or even thousands of miles, and he was searching for something. >> as a guy who i think had a lot of trouble relating to other people, that was a world that was very amenable to him. >> he was gathering inspiration and information for what he thought was his mission in life. he wasn't going to be the super-soldier, so who was he going to be now? >> mcveigh's mission is still unclear, but he's beginning to hone in on his main focus of fury -- the u.s. government. he finds like-minde

>> i have to say the right now it is looking more like a timothy mcveigh style attack. the mayor also told us a short while ago that the same person carried out the bombing in central oslo and then two hours later the shooting spree on the island. the distance is only about 3445 minutes. the attacks were separated by two hours -- only about 30 to 45 minutes. the attacks were separated by two hours. the chief suspect, the man who has been arrested while shooting, they have a mass of living klum in their hands. i would expect that in the next 24 hours we will have a preliminary statement. i would expect him to be charged. it remains to be seen what he will be charged with. the key is whether he had people behind him helping him in a wider network. here in the u.k. has been focused around what political motives someone might have for hitting norway. in other words, it could be some kind of outside plot, possibly linked to al qaeda, etc. right now, if you look at the backs on the ground -- the facts on the ground, there's a one man so far, he is 32, norwegian. he has attack

. >> this is the norwegian version of timothy mcveigh. when we saw the attacks at the central government area earlier on, people were thinking about al qaeda and so on and so forth. studying terrorism for many years, what was really the danger in norway was right-wing terrorism. perhaps the police and security forces have been so lax over the years because according to the international environment, people were thinking about terrorism from al qaeda and so on and so forth. they had forgotten something. >> when you say that it could be potentially down to somebody who was affiliated with neo-naziism, do you think it was someone who supported the extreme right wing? >> yes. there is no doubt. we see the connection. nobody doing any other kind of terrorism would connect this big bomb blast at the center of the political environment in norway and then go over to this island, which is a remote island, which you would have to know about, and then start killing people. it is so domestic, this terrorism. >> the question that the norwegian leader

>> reporter: police say in may the suspect bought six tons of fertilizer, similar to the kind timothy mcveigh used in oklahoma city. it may have been used to make the bomb. after setting off the car bomb that killed seven in oslo's central square, the suspect drove to the island less than an hour away, dressed as a policeman. he told the teenagers he needed to protect them after the oslo bombing. he gathered them close and opened fire. as they fled through the woods and swam for their lives, he picked them off one by one. >> there's a guy with a gun, he was standing there and he was shooting at us. if i start to swim a bit later, we would have been shot. i think we would have been dead now. >> reporter: the suspect's name is anders behring breivik, 32 years old. just last week he updated his facebook page, called himself a christian, a conservative, likes hunting. facebook friends, zero. a right winger but with no signs of potential violence. how strong is the right wing here, how big is this pool of people that could produce such a person? >> that pool of people i would say is very, very lim

then i went on to say but timothy mcveigh is a christian and those people from the westboro baptist church who make those offensive rants at funerals they're christian and we don't stereotype christians on that basis and we have to be careful in terms of what we say that we don't encourage people to do crazy stuff like burn the koran or cut some cab driver's throat here in new york. so i said all that. but then, of course, the top part was taken away by people who, you know, the council on arab-american relations or whatever and then npr also acting on that. >> jon: you had been, withing at npr. >> ten years. >> jon: so you must have had so many thought bags. (laughter) tote. when you travel, carrying things must never be an issue. >> not a problem. not a problem. >> jon: so npr... now... backing this up. those are for our present environment in terms of discourse i think pretty mild. in almost any way you frame it, certainly the network that you said help the on and certainly what you see over the airwaves, npr decides you can no longer work there. that seems unfair. >> to me. (laughter)

. >> paul: but there was timothy mcveigh in the united states and a lot more of these cases.g violence is not unknown in the history of the last 100 years. >> not unknown is not quite the same as every six weeks we have another attack of attempted extremism and soldier in texas, we knew immediately what it was about, clear he intended to kill as many people as possible and had the equipment. the police say he's where he is. okay. this is one of the nothing hams. the fact that we have aborted all of these efforts does not mean the threat is not central, imminent and dominantly that of the attempt of muslim extremists. >> paul: fred, is this going to have a debate on multi-culturism, david cameron, the prime minister of u.k. and nicolas sarkozy in france have both talked about? >> no, i don't think-- europeans people are sophisticated and understands that one anders bravic does not reshape the debate. there's a debate happening among reasonable people throughout europe and indeed, throughout the west as well, saying we have large populations of often muslim immigrants for not a

question, is anders breivik norway's timothy mcveigh or jarrod lochner. >> mcveigh. >> really, they -- unlike lochner, breivik had a philosophy. he plagiarized the man festo from the unabomber and used mcveigh's methods. he views himself as bart part of this larger movement and it's a race based sort of thing. and it's a difficult for them to determine if he's legally insane or not. lochner is obviously outs of it. but this fellow is chillingly -- when he's been questioned and all some it's a -- a more appropriate comparison, but the real issue is here is the larger issue of multi-cultural and debate immigration that's been tearing european politics apart. >> what about immigration policy and whether it conceivably feeds into an endangerment of the population, if it is regarded as and is too lax? are we -- you know, multi- culturessism attacked now, particularly in great britain and elsewhere. >> it's a huge issue in europe. muslim immigration is a huge issue in europe. in france and it's been that way -- when i was a student in france, it was a huge issue back then. it's a huge issue

that's my greatest fear, we would have a timothy mcveigh type, carry out a mass shooting event. >> reporterhomeland security officials told us they're careful not to monitor political protests but watch for domestic violent extremist activity regardless of ideology. and so far they say they see no evidence the problem is getting worse. michael isikoff, nbc news, washington. >>> and there is news tonight from the intersection of sports and business in this country. nfl players voted today to accept a new contract with team owners, ending a four-month lockout that threatened to cancel the upcoming season. the owners will get more of the league's revenue in the deal while players won some gains in health care, free agency rules. the season, by the way, set to begin september 8th, with the former super bowl champion new orleans saints visiting the defending champion green bay packers. >>> in los angeles tonight, an arson unit is looking for whoever is setting a string of fires in north hollywood. 18 vehicles have been destroyed just since thursday. and officials are also investigating an apartm

from muslim radicals, to domestic political extremists, like timothy mcveigh on our shores.t this form of terrorism? joining us now, former cia officer mike baker and, president of the security firm, dill jens -- diligence, llc. >> we don't know what was in the mind of the suspect, but he wrote a 1500 page manifesto and, he said he did it but, it wasn't something wrong and some post were on-line, on youtube, and social media sites and i want to ask you, how can we better monitor those to potentially stop these threats before they become an act that is unbelievable? >> well, it is a key to, you know, the ability to be able to stop these sort of lone wolf attacks which we have known a long time are probably the most difficult attacks, events to prevent, and, certainly, to spot ahead of time, and, you referred to the manifesto and some of the youtube postings and reportedly the manifesto was put on-line by him, just a few hours before the attack began. so, very, very little time to pick up on heis rantings... >> jamie: is that an excuse? shouldn't there be monitoring, certain w

you know it's very similar to timothy mcveigh back in ninety five you know another example of a right wing extremist. a guy who has no problem with chilling. film kotler i'm afraid that so the time we have right now thank you so much for your insight david curtis independent blogger there talking to us from the u.s. well in light of the attacks norway has reimposed the border controls denmark did the same over two weeks ago and this is a move strongly criticized by other you members while excessively volatile from the a moscow state humanitarian university says there are signs a united europe is falling apart. the european project is collapsing and slowly collapsing you know there are lots of live rounds coming from asia from the north africa and some countries have a cancer rates folded so they have to prove to you that their research and has control over immigration control and that's. only tells us that the european folded like see you know kind of vitality the there right agenda and it should be shared by the people living in the e people house to be ready to actually while those

officials have been worrying about since timothy mcveigh and terry nichols bombed an oklahoma city federal building. domestic terrorists present a lethal and often invisible danger. the most dangerous is the lone wolf who evades detection as he maps his plot. law enforcement knew little about james von brunn until after he shot up the holocaust museum and killed a security guard in 2009. unabomber ted kaczynski lived anonymously for years in a montana cabin as he mailed out bombs and his leftist manifest owe. domestic radical groups also span the political spectrum. environmental terrorist torched an upscale seattle neighborhood. in 2010 nine members of michigan hutaree militia were charged with conspiring to kill cops, so-called right wing militants outnumber those on the left. ten years after 9/11, the greatest home grown threat still comes from islamist radicals trained or inspired by al qaeda linked terrorists. nidal hasan inspired by anwar al awlaki killed 13 soldiers at fort hood. najibullah zazi, schooled by al qaeda bomb makers, plotted to blow up new york's subways and faisel shah

i him to america he oklahoma city bombing in one thousand nine hundred five is terry nichols timothy mcveigh a truck bomb in front of the federal building in oklahoma city it was later proved that the truck bomb heroically minor damage most of the damage came from internally raid explosives ok i think i heard the conspiracy theories about not eleven before i take in everything you say there's so i mean what are you saying about what's happened here tonight i mean he does a still very very sketchy enough you know this this is happening is people are still under the under the ruins there tonight so what do you think is garman well because they're just happy today we have no way of knowing it could be day he said could be weeks before we know anything but my advice to viewers it is always be suspicious especially about a major attack i'm sure your viewers remember the the underground bombing at all and the madrid train bombing i believe the year before of the year after midnight the mid two thousand. the. wrong the latest stories conflict. did with them presented different evidence and it looke

when i describe this, this may bring to mind memories of timothy mcveigh in oklahoma city. we are talking norway here. first off in the series of events, there was a massive explosion in oslo, the capital. those are the pictures from the blast. then an attack on a youth camp on an island 20 miles away from oslo. witnesses say this is the man responsible. his name is anders breitik. he gathered to hear more about the initial bombing. they say he fired into the crowd. he then fired into the water as people tried to swim to get away. listen to one survivor. >> he was yelling he was going to kill all. we will all die. he pointed his gun at me. he did not pull the trigger. he left and returned a few hours later and a few hours gathered around me. then people started running around because they did not know where to run. he suddenly showed up and he shot almost everyone. >> all right. our diana magna is near utoya island. diana, how could one carry out this attack and plan both events? are police still sticking to the theory that one man carried out both of the an attacks? >> rep

who has grievances with the government and now talking to police, a kind of norway version of timothy mcveigh, the american military vet who blew up thehe federal building in oklahoma city in the '90s. >> so, what do you know about the bomb itself? >> reporter: well, the bomb went off. it is not as high explosives as they thought. a homemade bomb. they also found several other undetonated bombs on that island at the youth camp, which he had taken with him. >> we're looking at the debris right now. that shattered glass. and we all began thinking about buildings here in this country today and that video of the practice run with the barriers we set up in front of so many buildings across this country. >> reporter: well, the u.s. has been very vigilant in protecting government buildings. it probably couldn't happen in the u.s. as it happened there. but that particular video of the truck ramming a barrier in the u.s., an example of what's been done here, the kind of steps that perhaps the norwegians and others have not taken because they felt they were immune to this kind of attack and now they kn

many you know you know how do you live in a house that you see only massive character talk about timothy mcveigh be talk about it talk about it. again jerk love there was not so you talk about terrorism but i don't say that god doesn't exist amongst activity and a lot of times it's f.b.i. it's entrapment trap the it you. know like terry didn't mean you can buy terrorism only for ninety five percent plus were killed by most of the vast majority of the ills according to you know according to people who try to see the reality where over what period and i tell you i want to see the statistics because that's not true but fine if you want to go down that road things talk about the fort hood shooter who. actually mentally crazy do you call him a terrorist or just a not so what he was shouting allahu akbar as he was to give a powerpoint presentation. we were going to hit and discriminating against muslims he made a point of using the reason he wasn't called before and it's because people were scared to say anything about it. because i became a political correctness is because they weren't that good but

come out how many how do you fly in a house that you see only the acts of terror you talk about timothy mcveigh if you talk about it you talk with. jurors loved it was not you talk about terrorism but i don't. think any system just activity and i've got a time said the f.b.i. it's entrapment they're entrapped the you know you. know like terry did mean usually by terrorism way for ninety five percent plus were killed by most of the best which one is going to build according to new according to people who track that seeded down to where over a period i don't want to see the statistics because that's not true but fine if you want to go down that road then talk about the fort hood shooter who was. actually mentally crazy do you call him a terrorist or just a not so what he was shouting allahu akbar he was to give a power point presentation mercy so that they were going ahead and discriminating against muslims he made a point of it and the reason he wasn't called beforehand is because people were scared to say anything about it it was out of became a political correctness is because they weren't tha

you know going there how do you live in a house every feeling the acts of terror you talk about timothy mcveigh if you talk about you could talk about it with. jared love there was a nutshell you talk about terrorism but i don't think that one hundred. there is a system just activity and lot of times it's f.b.i. it's entrapment they're entrapped the you know if you if you do that are they going to really like terry and then maybe you kill him by terrorism way for ninety five percent plus were killed by most of the vast majority of going to build according to a new record of the people who track that see don't know where over what period i don't want to see these statistics because that's not true but fine if you're going to go down that road then talk about the fort hood shooter who was actually mentally crazy do you call him a terrorist or just a not so what he was shouting allahu akbar as he was to give a powerpoint presentation merissa that's what it was we were going to hit and discriminating against muslims he made a point of it and the reason he wasn't called beforehand is because people

if there's different because that's there's an actual provable network of people as opposed to timothy mcveigh and this nut case and you guys did not say in a way should have taken norway's path a decade ago it was totally different if this had happened in america we should have taken norway's path this is not what i don't think we should ignore the passion i don't happen in america i don't think he gave less than what he wanted if i don't i don't think i should act i don't think you should get less than twenty one twenty one years or less i mean that's i was a just never going to get life in prison or does not not according to the law professors i talked to norway they said the maximum he can get is twenty one years and he may be five more years but it never happens well except for that i do i'm we'll see i do think that it will but this guy is not you know and i and i hope so and certainly our leaders in law provides for that but the but the point is that we fundamentally transform america george w. bush changed america he was wiretapping our phones without authorization any claim that was l

talked about oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh on line.ote. small details are coming out. also when he was out at this camp, for an hour and a half basically, just shooting, just shooting these children. >> kids running. there's still five people missing at this hour. that death toll could increase. maybe we'll be lucky and they'll be found, some scattered and ran into the woods and some tried to swim away as he was shooting. we'll get some new information on anders breivik coming up a little later. >>> another fox news alert. overnight, five people are rushed to area hospitals after a shooting at a casino near seattle. two of the victims are in critical condition. authorities say it happened earlier this morning at a nightclub inside the casino. the shooter was arrested. police are investigated why it went down. >>> new information on a bloody birthday celebration in texas. six people are dead after a gunman opened insid fair fire ia roller rink in grand prairie. the killer appears to be the father of the 11-year-old birthday boy. he appa

like army veteran turned mass killer timothy mcveigh, the norwegian shooter was a home gronel right wing extremist. today as their beloved king and queen openly wept. their son the crowned prince of norway spoke outside a hospital after visiting victims of the horrific attacks. here is our greg burke. >> this is an attack that, of course, was directed at some individuals. but it was also an attack on our entire society. >> police saying today that the killer still had lots of ammunition when he was caught. he surrendered immediately. there is a bit of a debate here about how long it took police to get out to the island. now, a very troubling profile emerging of anders breivik. he has clear problems with muslims even bigger problems with the politicians who allow muslim immigration in europe. today in oslo tries to make sense of it all with a grief of and hope. telling youth on the island it was their day to die. we interviewed one who told us a fascinating story. >> the boy defended himself and said "leave us alone. go away. we have had enough now. i'm too young to die." he was so strong

remember timothy mcveigh, eric rudolph? that's just to name a couple. tom has dealt with this before. what's going through your mind as you're watching this unfold? >> good morning, kyra. welcome back, by the way. >> thank you. >> what's going through my mind, as you mentioned earlier, this is something we've seen before. in the u.s., we've seen this for decades and so has europe. it appears from his manifesto that the philosophy is very similar to a neo nazi type group, white supremist type groups have that philosophy. this reminded me very much of the mcveigh type bombing, use of a large fertilizer bomb, constructed at home. followed in this case by attacks with firearms. it does seem to be very similar and with a similar motive we have had here in the u.s. as well. >> so, tom, if you were still on the job and you were monitoring, you know, all the hatred that's out there, what we see on the internet, et cetera, what would your focus be right now when it comes to our safety in the u.s. and home-grown terrorism? >> the fbi focuses on what it calls domm

the site may remind possibly of timothy mcveigh and oklahoma city. again, one man, anders behring brefic expected to be charged in both attacks. >>> a federal jury in new york has found the father of a convicted terrorist guilty of conspiracy and obstruction of justice. 55-year-old mohammad wall zazi is the charge father of nanlg zazi. the father now facing up to 30 years in prison. also yesterday, convicted sex offender, anthony sowell, guilty of 11 counts of murder. sowell was dubbed the cleveland strangler after the remains of dead women were found in and around his home two years ago. he showed very little emotion as the guilty verdicts were handed down. the 51-year-old now faces a possible death penalty when he's sentenced next month. >>> also, president obama has managed to a keep a requirement in the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. yesterday, his top men in the pentagon certified to congress the military is ready to repeal the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military. it comes after an extensive period of training and preparati

>> reporter: police say in may the suspect bought six tons of fertilizer, similar to the kind timothy mcveigh used in oklahoma city. it may are been used to make the bomb. after setting off the car bomb that killed seven in oslo's central square, the suspect drove to the island in less than an hour away, dressed as a policeman. he told the teenagers he needed to protect them after the oslo bombing. he gathered them close and open fire. >> the reason i thought it was a game or, i don't know, something else, was -- it was like not high sound shooting. it was like silence or something. like fireworks. >> reporter: as they fled through the woods and swam for their lives, he picked them off one by one. >> the guy with the gun was tanding there and shooting at us. >> if i start to swim, a bit later i would have been shot. i think we would have been dead now. >> i tried to save, but there were people i couldn't do anything for. >> reporter: the suspect's name is anders bee ring breivik, just updated his facebook page, called himself a christian, conservative, likes hunting. facebook friends, zero. a

anti-nordic, but this country, too, has had a share of its psychopaths from ted kaczynski to timothy mcveigh allowing differing groups to live in relative harmony. why is that? why is it that when political philosophies are inadequate or ina capable of achieving unity, america somehow holds together? i know it is becoming somewhat of a joke in some quarters that i as someone born in europe should have such reverence for the founding documents of this country, but once again, it is the words of thomas jefferson that i think that provide an insight into why in a nation of so many ethnic differences, america is one. in his majestic and immortal words he wrote, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. in one sense, this is much more than a sentiment. it is an overtly theological assertion, that our creator has endowed ut all with an equal right to life, liberty and a pursuit of happiness and maybe that's the point. when political philosophy seems to break down, maybe we need reference to a hig

and timothy mcveigh used the exact same bomb in oklahoma city to devastate the federal building there. absolutely terrible. so one person can affect that. and he had the logistics to do it. >> you have to wonder about warning signs, though. it always seems like hindsight's 20-20 and you look at things and you say oh, yeah, we can see that he was going off the deep end. is that the case here? >> yes, yes. there's no question about that. however, a recent declassified report by the norwegian police showed that they were really not looking inward for an attack. they thought that that was a very low likelihood, that they were looking at an attack from muslim extremists. and again, goes back to that cultural nuance of the norwegian society where they're trusting of one another. >> yeah, well, not so much now, i'm certain. anthony roman, thanks for weighing in. >> my pleasure. >>> the most powerful man in the house is working on a new debt reduction deal, but will this one be any more acceptable to the president? that's ahead. >>> plus, the naacp convention is under way in los angeles. we'r

. >> what it's looking like is home grown terrorism and it's europe's timothy mcveigh moment.ay perhaps a rush to judgment and people looking back on islamist group attacking european targets and thinking it would be another one. it looks likes it's the work of a right wing extremist motivated by anti-immigrant rhetoric so it's a different type of terrorism new to europe. >> kelly: so, joseph, how does this change the landscape of terror across the world? >> well, in first, it begins to affect the way security services in europe look at terrorism. they've been focused on islamist radical groups and continued to be concerned with them, but they're also going to be paying more attention to skinheads, fascist groups and the right. and i think it will also affect the rhetoric, rhetoric of some of the right wing parties in europe who have bordered on racist language in talking about the immigrant populations. >> yeah, keep in mind, this suspect, at least known on his facebook page, quote, unquote, christian fundamentalist, but that, that he perhaps was part of some sort of group as

veteran who has grievances with the government and now talking to police kind of norway version of timothy mcveigh american military vet who blew up the federal building in oklahoma city. >> remember that bombing was on april 19, 1995. tl. >> moving on. los angeles police tonight con firment arrest of 3 people in the beating of brian stow at the giants dodgers season opener in los angeles. they are 29-year-old pl sanchez and 3 30-year-old norwood of reality. charged with mayhem, salt and battery. 30-year-old miss sanchez apparently released on 50,000 dollar bail without being charged. >> with new credible information took a new path. today the thanks to thousands literally thousands of hours of investigative work, hard work of an elite competent group of investigators we can announce the arrest of suspect ins this case. if police think it's as important to exonerate the innocent as it is to implicate the guilty. this is not just a phrase. these are words that define the character of theless ang police department. if. >> today we are here to announce the arrest of 3 suspects in the brutal beating o

it remind me of timothy mcveigh the american on the fringe of the movement in 1995 who blew up the buildingahoma city. he kind of remind me of the virginia tech shooter that went on a ram page and killed 32 students senselessly on the campus of virginia tech. here you have a combination of a truck bomb aimed at a government building with a right wing agenda. then this senseless murder of kids that reminds me of the virginia tech killing. two combined together we don't know what motivated this madman or if he is the guy or others that he's involved with. >> can you tell me how one person can do so much damage. if these numbers hold true 84 people killed, teenagers between the ages of 14 and 18 were the ones attending this camp. how does one man kill that many people? >> it's really horrific. again, the virginia tech was 32. one guy with a couple nine millimeters. here he goes out to an island with a bunch of youths with an automatic weapon. perhaps a rifle or pistol. it's not clear right now and just started mowing people down. obviously at a catch like that there's no real security and no w

bloggers here in america, even plaguerizing the unabomber ted kaczynski and his actions compared to timothy mcveighks. there's been discussion, you know, about whether these cells exist or are active in this country. what's your assessment of that? >> when you say the cells, are you referring to far right wing cell or referring to -- >> absolutely. no. just extreme right ideologues who exist in this country and pump out this kind of stuff on the web. >> yes. i'm making a presentation for federal law enforcement soon on this exact topic. what we probe have more commonly, long moles or small cell. joined together by an ideology of fear. different with regard to europe with they're putting in a graphic time bomb add well as economic fear. here the xenophobia is divided between anti-latino and anti-muslim. there it's all wrapped into one. >> you say you've been invited by federal authorities to give information about these kinds of groups. is this because there is now an emerging an ziosi anxiety in th country? >> i don't know about emerging anxiety. dhs told your network they don't see a ramp-up in th

>> reporter: police say in may the suspect bought six tons of fertilizer, similar to the kind timothy mcveigh used in oklahoma city. it may have been used to make the bomb. after setting off the car bomb that killed seven in oslo's central square the suspect drove to the island, less than an hour away, dressed as a policeman. he told the teenagers he needed to protect them after the oslo bombing. he gathered them close and opened fire. >> the reason i thought it was a game or, i don't know, something else, was it was like not high sound shooting. it was like a silencer or something. so it sounded like fireworks. >> reporter: as they fled through the woods and swam for their lives, he picked them off one by one. >> the guy with the gun, he was standing there, and he was shooting at us. if i start to swim a bit later, i would have been shot. i think we would have been dead now. >> i tried to save as i could, but there were people there that i couldn't do anything for. >> reporter: the suspect's name is anders behring breivik, 32 years old. just last week he updated his facebook page, called him

i learned beyond a week or so after that disaster by the scum bag named timothy mcveigh that somebody who had as much influence on my life and parents was on sunday school teacher. rita lost her life in that bombing. then i think forward to september 11, 2001, all of you know where you were. we were in big sky, montana, preparing a presentation to the national emergency manager. i was the general council at the time, despite from "time" magazine or other things, i came in and worked my way up the ladder at fema. and we got to c130 and flew back here. won't andrews. the next day went over. either that day or the next day win went to the pentagon. it was shortly after having walked in with the search and rescue teams. they have the dogs, if you are a dog lover, meet them. they are wonderful. aren't they? we walked in through the hole in the pentagon and came back out. i forget who it was. somebody was there to greet me to let me know. they wanted to make sure i didn't know about it. a good friend of ours had been on there. we had been with her a week o so before the attacks. all of this

t timothy mcveigh. i would urge everyone to be cautious right now.e don't know who's responsible for this. one individual, more than one individual. we don't know if there's a political background. we don't know who did this. let the low law enforcement authorities in norway get the job done because i remember after the oklahoma city bombing, and you probably remember as well, brooke, we all jumped to certain conclusions. it was more home grown terror in oklahoma city than it was foreign terror, al qaeda related. then again after 9/11, we know who's responsible for 9/11. so let's see what the authorities come up with and then we'll be able to draw the conclusions. oslo is a great city. have you ever been there? >> i haven't. the closest i've been to that sort of neck of the woods is denmark. but i've not been to oslo. >> well, it's like copenhagen to a certain degree. very picturesque, a lot of history. the people are wonderful. very quiet. you never hear about it unless god forbid something like this happens. it's a real sad story. my heart to goes

on the issue of all terrorists been muslim, timothy mcveigh carried out a devastating terror attack in the united states, the oklahoma city bombing, and he was not a muslim. as a matter of fact, it is very clear that is not the case. host: lascall from denver on the independent line. caller: good morning. how are you? i have three quick key points. point number one, it has been in e news media, although it was not very out there, but tsa agents are coming out with cancer, the ones who handled the machines. that leads me to point number two. why were those machines refused to be handed over to labs and be tested? the government said no. point number three, i want to ask our est which one of our founding fathers said the ones who are willing to give up some of their liberties for security does not deserve neither. thank you. host: how would you respond to his last point of view from denver? guest: that was tom lester person and i agree. we need to strike a balance between security -- that was thomas jefferson and i agree. we need to strike a balance between security and liberty. ticking

on the issue of all terrorists been muslim, timothy mcveigh carried out a devastating terror attack in united states, the oklahoma city bombing, and he was not a muslim. as a matter of fact, it is very clear that is not the case. host: last call from denver on the independent line. caller: good morning. how are you? i have three quick key points. point number one, it has been in the news media, although it was not very out there, but tsa agents are coming out with cancer, the ones who handled the machines. that leads me to point number two. why were those machines refused to be handed over to labs and be tested? the government said no. point number three, i want to ask our guest which one of our founding fathers said the ones who are willing to give up some of their liberties for security does not deserve neither. thank you. host: how would you respond to his last point of view from denver? guest: that was tom lester person and i agree. we need to strike a balance between security -- that was thomas jefferson and i agree. we need to strike a balance between security and liberty. tickin

the florida recount, the investigation of president clinton, trials of martha stewart, timothy mcveigh, adjacent to an -- o.j. simpson. inside the secret world of the supreme court was a mutlitp -- multiple award winner and a new york times best seller. please welcome jeffrey tubin. [applause] >> thank you, judge. think you for having me. -- thank you for having me. i assure you that my remarks will be the briefest of anyone else. i used to be an assistant u.s. attorney in the eastern district of new york and i had a conversation early in my career have i will always remember. it was one of my mentors, john gleason. john said to me, you know, when you are in that judge's court, you feel like you are in federal court. i knew what he meant and i suspect you knew what he meant because the federal courts are a great tool of the american government. they are not perfect, but they work better hendry and better resulting than virtually any other part of the government. better than most parts of the private-sector as far as i am aware. that is worth keeping in mind when we discuss the subject

john ashcroft, the florida recount, the investigation of bill clinton, trials of martha stuart, timothy mcveigh oj simpson. his 2007 book, "inside the secret world of the supreme court" was a multiple award winner in a "new york times" best seller. please welcome jeffrey toobin. [applause] >> thank you, judge. good morning, everyone. thank you for having me. i am the only one here who works in television news, so i assure you my remarks will be the briefest of anyone else. i used to be an assistant u.s. attorney in brooklyn new york, in the eastern district of new york, and i had a conversation early in my career there that i'll always remember with one of my mentors in the office, a prosecutor, and we were talking about one of the judges, judge eugene nickerson, and he said to me, when you're in judge nickerson's court, you really feel like you're in federal court, and i knew what he meant, and i suspect you knew what he meant because the federal courts are a great jewel of the american government. they -- they are imperfect, but they work better and reach better results than virtually any oth

recount, ken starr's investigation of print -- president clinton, the trials of martha stewart, timothy mcveigh, o.j. simpson. looked's 2007 book inside the secret world of the supreme court and was a multiple award winner of the "new york times" best seller list. please help me welcome jeffrey toobin. [applause] >> thank you, judge. good morning, everyone. thank you for having me. i am the only one that works in television news, so i assure you of my remarks will be the briefest of anyone else. i used to be an assistant u.s. attorney in the eastern district of the new york. i had a common thing happen in my career with one of my mentors in the office, john gleeson. we were talking about one of the judges, judge eugene nickerson. and john says to me, when you are in judge nickerson's court, you really feel like you are in federal court. i knew what he meant, and i suspect you knew what he meant. the federal courts are the great duel of the american government. they are imperfect, but they work better and reach better results than virtually any other part of the government. and in fact, better t