suspect as a member of the same white supremacist group that influence the oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh. i urge you to hold a hearing examining the homeland security threat posed by anti-government white supremacist groups. as the committee on homeland security, our mission is to examine threats to this nation's security. a narrow focus that excludes no threats, lacks clarity and may be myopic. our personal experience plays a role in how we see the world. we have all come to this place from somewhere else. as i understand it the chairman's background includes history of a country divided by religion and formed by prolonged and violent struggle. i am from mississippi. my personal history is one in which non-violence was the bedrock principle in the struggle for societal change and political rights. religion played a role in that struggle too. but we are not here in these places now. as members of congress our words transcend this hearing room. we must be vigilant that our words and actions do not inflame. acknowledgment of obligation to be responsible does not equal political correctness

then i went on to say but timothy mcveigh is a christian and those people from the westboro baptist church who make those offensive rants at funerals they're christian and we don't stereotype christians on that basis and we have to be careful in terms of what we say that we don't encourage people to do crazy stuff like burn the koran or cut some cab driver's throat here in new york. so i said all that. but then, of course, the top part was taken away by people who, you know, the council on arab-american relations or whatever and then npr also acting on that. >> jon: you had been, withing at npr. >> ten years. >> jon: so you must have had so many thought bags. (laughter) tote. when you travel, carrying things must never be an issue. >> not a problem. not a problem. >> jon: so npr... now... backing this up. those are for our present environment in terms of discourse i think pretty mild. in almost any way you frame it, certainly the network that you said help the on and certainly what you see over the airwaves, npr decides you can no longer work there. that seems unfair. >> to me. (laughter)

question, is anders breivik norway's timothy mcveigh or jarrod lochner. >> mcveigh. >> really, they -- unlike lochner, breivik had a philosophy. he plagiarized the man festo from the unabomber and used mcveigh's methods. he views himself as bart part of this larger movement and it's a race based sort of thing. and it's a difficult for them to determine if he's legally insane or not. lochner is obviously outs of it. but this fellow is chillingly -- when he's been questioned and all some it's a -- a more appropriate comparison, but the real issue is here is the larger issue of multi-cultural and debate immigration that's been tearing european politics apart. >> what about immigration policy and whether it conceivably feeds into an endangerment of the population, if it is regarded as and is too lax? are we -- you know, multi- culturessism attacked now, particularly in great britain and elsewhere. >> it's a huge issue in europe. muslim immigration is a huge issue in europe. in france and it's been that way -- when i was a student in france, it was a huge issue back then. it's a huge issue

normally hostile north and south korea's together in the name of business there so much in siberia timothy mcveigh defend kim jong il have agreed to look at building a gas pipeline across north korea to supply the republic in the south but analysts warn that south korea will have a hard time coming to terms with independence on this northern counterparts. i think there will be a large amount of skepticism to overcome in some of the career that allowing themselves to become even partially dependent on a whole new supplies or. quite across their northern neighbor you have to have an agreement between all three countries russia of korea and south korea and it's no good. building a pipeline i think simply means russia or north korea because the north koreans are not going to be able to pay a. price for gas imports from russia that would do it over paper because the building the pipelines of the pipeline has to be extended to south korea to turn the south korean market. that's all this has been the best month for gold and twelve years it's jumped almost seventy percent in the last four weeks and that w

and is typical such as a timothy mcveigh, up almost until the end did he express any remorse.thy mcveigh was at least coming around and showing some emotion and at least some regret. but these people typically are so imbued with hatred, it's almost impossible for them to show the normal signs of emotion that you and i would express. >> fascinating insight. bob ricks, thank you for your time. >>> the time right now is about 20 minutes past the hour. time to check in on top stories that we're following. billionaire, warren buffett making news today in a new york times op-ed. he begs congress to make the rich like himself pay more in taxes. buffet who paid nearly $7 million in federal taxes last year say the super rich should not be protected liken dangered spotted owls. >>> in a surprise deal that would be the largest acquisition ever, google agreed to buy motorola mobility for $12.5 billion. google the world's search leader believes the mobile device maker will help it gain a stronger foothold in the mobile marketplace. >>> david cameron today blamed last week's riots on a slow

timothy mcveigh used it in sadr city --used it in oklahoma. america struggles with the dependence on foreign oil, some people are trying to do something about it. tonight molly lion tells us about a new process producing fuel that gets different reviews. >> reporter: jewel unlimited, company from cambridge massachusetts, claims researchers created organism to take sunlight, water and carbon dioxide and makes liquid fuel to run trucks and plane across the country. >> it's an extension of what it would naturally do, but by dropping in different gene and sequence from other organisms in the wild and combining those to our organism, we engineer to produce from the interest and secrete it. fuel can be made almost anywhere. >> the product we make is a premium diesel. >> reporter: this is one of the key selling point of the liquid fuel from the sun. the product is compatible with the existing infrastructure. meeting it is diesel supply. the question is how fast can the product hit the road? the company is taking its first step toward commercializatio

it's the same vertizer that timothy mcveigh was convicted of using in the 1995 bombing on the alfreding in oklahoma city. janetjanet said today people bu, selling or transferring at least 25 pounds of ammonium nitrate should have to register with the united states government. so the feds can check their names against the terror watch list. a spokeswoman for the vertizer industry says that industry supports the move. quoting here. this provides for an added layer of public safety while preserving this valuable fertilizer for its intended use. well, after weeks of bitter fighting over the debt limit. last night lawmakers on both sides found something they could all celebrate. [cheers] it was inyesterdayable will. seven months after she suffered gunshot wound to her head. reaction to her surprise appearance coming up. more blood shed on the streets of syria. situation is escalating now. the question will the united states get involved there? as it did in libya? a live report straight ahead as fox reports live tonight. but, first, a man credited with the technique that saved thousands of

relatives, and i learned probably beyond a week or so after that disaster by this scum bag named timothy mcveigh that someone who probably had as much influence on my life as my mother and my parents was my sunday schoolteacher. and rita lost her life in that bombing. then i think forward to september 11th, 2001. all of you know where you were. we were in big sky, montana, preparing a presentation to the national emergency managers association. i was the general counsel at the time despite what "time" magazine or others might think, i came in and worked my way up the ladder at fema. and we got on a c-130 and flew back here, went to andrews. the next day went over to the oval, albaugh went to new york. and either that day or the next day i went to the pentagon. and it was shortly after having walked into the bowels of the pentagon after it had blown up with one of the urban search and rescue teams, i love the usar teams. they have these dogs, if you're a dog lover, these dogs are wonderful, aren't they? so we walked in to the hole in the pentagon and came back out, and i forget who it was, but so

we only need to think of timothy mcveigh and oklahoma city.just saw the horrific acts in norway. i do not want to speak to any particular religion. i happen to be christian. i would hope no one would view the tax of some -- the acts of some individuals that claim to be christian -- the two major commitments are to love god and love your neighbor as yourself. it is disturbing to see how religion can be distorted and used to kill other people when the religion itself would prohibit that. it is a reminder as to why this strategy makes the priority focusing on countering the violent islamic extremist threat in a way that allows us to detect and disrupt other types of extremist threats represented by other groups. host: why has it taken so long to get this report about? many would regard it as fundamental in terms of trying to track down potential threats at home against the u.s. guest: that is a fair criticism. the obama administration has a lot on its plate. they are dealing with the global economic crisis. we saw this with cyber security. the pr

where -- do you investigate in your book the involvement of home grown terrorism such as timothy mcveigh? i read an article about the northwest being a hot bed for extremists who are antigovernment and white supremists. >> guest: good question. that's a book on its own, but i don't look at that question in my book. ..ok unto its own. i do not look at this in this book. the central question is this man who is on the tiller capture list. capture list. host: talk about how you do your work. take us through your sources. you have been able to uncover information that others have not. how do you do that? guest: one of the things that i think people will find striking is that there is a lot of passion in the book. i think that is there because i am in a military family. on these national security issues, i am not on the sideline. i think that is infused in the book. i dedicated the book to people who serve. i understand this is not easy for people in the services, in law enforcement, in the intelligence community. before 9/11, i cut my teeth on terrorism during the mainland campaign of the ira

timothy mcveigh visited randy weaver's cabin a couple of years later. and -- because the government had become just what the conspiracy theorists have always said the government was, out of control, determined to destroy the lives of simple people who wanted to live free. the government had fitted into that stereotype. they became the monsters that the extremists always said that they were. c-span: how many of these kind of groups exist in great britain? >> guest: not so many, actually. we have the national front -- you know, nasty -- we've got a particularly nasty group called combat 18, who are neo-nazis, based on aryan nations. but not so much. i think that the -- that the pressure cooker in great britain is slightly less ready to blow than it -- than it seemed to me to be in the united states, for some reason. c-span: of all the things you saw in the writing of this book, what was the -- what was the funniest, the lightest? >> guest: it's kind of -- a lot of it's funny, but not much of it's light. i mean, i did love the moment when alex jones was pr

the most notable example was 15 years ago when timothy mcveigh bombed the federal building in oklahomaack killed 168 people and injured hundreds. congress was asked to regulate the fertilizer in 2007 but there was opposition from the government because of the record keeping. they would lou their names to be checked against terror watchlists. january net that polwatchlists. the fertilizer industry says unfortunately regulation is necessary in a statement their spokesperson says, this provides for an added layer of public safety trial preserving the fertilizer for its intended use. shannon: steve centanni, the latest in washington. thank you, steve. nothing illegal about having you're own submarine. but if you stuff it with $180 million worth of illegal narcotics you better watch out for the coast guard. alabama just passed an immigration law trying to plug what it calls gaps in federal enforcement. >> if this law passed, -- i don't want to be questioning her or tell her something bad. so i don't want to stay here for that. [ rge ] psst. constated? phillips' caplet use gnesium, an ingred

timothy mcveigh, we all remember him from the oklahoma city bombing.evised. would high-profile executions be okay? >> i think any execution should be televised, no question about it, regardless of whether or not it's high-profile or not. and i've got to say nothing to holly's statement, she said this was a private moment. i don't understand how state-sanctioned executions could possibly be a private moment between a victim's family, a defendant's family and the world. that doesn't qualify as a private moment. and i would say for those of you who are not opposed to the death penalty and who are proponents of the death penalty, then everyone should want to see these things. why don't we pull the wizards thing and have everyone see it? >> let me give holly 30 seconds to respond to that. >> basically, randi, what we're talking about is the justice system. this should not be open for entertainment. let's face it, there are trials in america that are not televised, where a judge says cameras aren't allowed in. no, we don't make an open spectacle of every cas

just announced mauney am i trade is what timothy mcveigh used in the oklahoma city bombing. there is something wrong with that. we have been working for years on a transportation worker identification provincials. it is a huge expense for the private sector and that isn't brought about by the conventional oversight. most of it is by the agency parochialism. we have the dod provincial, we have a transportation worker identification provincial, which and 15 second, hazardous material endorsement and to be built across the canadian border. we have a fiber badge for being able to get into airports. all of those are based on the same security threat analysis and background checks come in yet the agencies won't give that up so we have those kind of things, and we talked a lot about the most important thing is to allow the private sector to get back up and running by the company sent me to washington it is fair for the government is going to do to our business model. i would say that when we start talking about our company response and recovery plans the biggest on known that we st

we've seen it in the jared loughners, the timothy mcveighs, in some of the -- the christian day bomber and the like. so what would you say about the risk of home grown terrorism coming from what are called lone wolves? >> well, it's definitely there. you know, the concept of a lone wolf terrorist is based on a variety of explanations. but they're definitely part of the element of an attack that will occur similar to the one in new york. but there's always help. you know, there's -- the lone wolf theory is an interesting one. rarely does anyone have the smarts enough to pull off one of these attacks on their own. so i think the fact that there's a lone person -- whether it's abdulmutallab coming out of nigeria on a christmas holiday period -- they'll execute on their own as a single person but behind them there's always someone around that's a pure jihadist, violent jihadist who is helping them accomplish their mission. >> the time of the gentlelady has expired. the gentleman from minnesota, mr. cravaack, is recognized for 5 minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and i'd like to thank the

ammonium nitrate is what timothy mcveigh is 14 years ago in oakland city bombing. there's just something wrong with that. we have been working for years on a transportation worker identification credential. and we talk about interoperability. it is a huge expense for the private sector year and that's not brought about by congressional oversight. most of it is brought about by agency parochialism. we have a dod credential. we have a transportation worker identification credential, we have an aging the credential, a hazard to endorsement. we have fast or. to be able to cross the canadian border. we have a badge be able to get into airports. all those five days on the same security threat analysis background checks. yet the agencies won't give that up. so we have those kinds of things, and we talked a lot about the most important thing is to allow the private sector to get back up and running. i told you my story why my company sent me to washington. it was fear of what the government was going to do to our business model. i would say that when we start talking about

shifting to some of those new thicks, and a couple examples i'll used, immoan yum nitrate is what timothy mcveighuse use in the oklahoma city bombing. we have been working for years on a transportation worker identification credential. and we talk about interop ability. it's a huge expense for the private sector, and that's not brought about by congressional oversight. we have a dod yes deck rnl -- credential. we've got an hme credential, we've got a fast or pip to be able to cross the canadian border. we've got a badge for being able to get into airports. all those are based on the same security threat analysis and background checks. yet the agencies won't give that up. and so we've got those kinds of things. and we talked a lot about the most important thing is to allow the private sector to get back up and running. i told you my story why my company sent me to washington. i would say that when we start talking about our company, um, response and recovery plans, the biggest unknown that we still have is what is government going to do. and we're continually reminded that with we're going to shut