that's timothy mcveigh and that can be very dangerous, john. >> not if you're on the alert for it. the way we have a condition of ongoing alerts. should be -- should we be on a status now at and period of wartime alerts? >> look at major hassan, the single terrorist at fort hood, 13 dead soldiers, 29 wounded. >> on a different scale with al- qaeda, obviously. >> president obama just on friday afternoon renewed some proclamation that the u.s. is on emergency alert because of terrorism, and i guess -- >> who? >> the president, our president. so -- i think -- >> intelligence of a threat. that's why new york is going through what it's going through now. >> a lone wolf threat? >> we don't know what kind of threat. we just don't know how big it is. all i can tell is that -- >> not like the al-qaeda role? >> for the first time in the last decade, going on both the west and east >>> issue two, ponzi and perry. >> it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you are paying into a program that's going to be there, anybody that's for the status quo with social secu

. >> timothy mcveigh. >> terrorism isn't 9/11. that's what we know of it because we've grown up as far as terrorism is concerned but that's not what it is. >> reporter: learning about terrorism in the hopes of trying to prevent it. deborah feyerick, cnn, summit, new jersey. >> former new jersey governor tom cain is back with us. how do you make children more comfortable with this topic? >> with great sensitivity. this is probably the most important event that's happened in modern history. children are surrounded by it and the world has been clangds by it. so children have to be taught, of this' got to be taught gently, understand the tragedy, understand the heros and the heroins, the sacrifice of the families, they've got to understand how the world has changed because of that. it's a very important part of the school curriculum. i think new jersey has done a good job. >> its goes beyond teaching just the day but about diversity, how words can have an impact, how the things you say can hurt people. it's a broader kind of discussio

is that the incumbent president goes on to become the prime minister and also a proposal for timothy mcveigh to go on to be at the top of the list we begin my defroster party into the december parliamentary elections he accepted. i'd like to express my gratitude to you for supporting my candidacy to run for president it's a great honor to meet you thank you but you didn't get it and with the parliamentary elections coming in i'd like to russian citizens to support the you know its aggression party with me. on. the issue you. know that maybe just what i'm convinced to become prime minister continue to throw really modernize our society. to the united russia party which shares a great amount of popularity they still have a lot of work to do because they're their figures have gone down in the past couple of years there's a lot of work to do over the next couple of months and the prime minister understands that president medvedev understands that most of the speeches and. speech was not about the presidency who will run it was about what this party needs to do to take russia into the next ten ye

is that the incumbent president goes on to become the prime minister and also a proposal for timothy mcveigh to go on to be at the top of the list we've begun to flush the party into the december parliamentary elections except it was very much. like to express my gratitude to you for supporting my candidacy to run for president it's a great honor. and with the parliamentary elections coming in december i'd like to ask all russian citizens to support the united russia party we can. help. you. i'm convinced to become prime minister who continue to thoroughly modernize our society. certainly you can there witnessing. this is sturrock and i was going to break and use her and i see that a lot of my putin will run for the presidency of two thousand and twelve but keeping it might be a long side as well but tandem relationship goes on what do you think this says for the legacy of the major media that. i think it says that and i've worked with both of them for years now that it works that the tandem for russia works there's going to be a lot of course criticism from the last not so much from emergin

biden thinks it is a lone actor like a timothy mcveigh thing. phrase "heartbeat away" comes to mind. >> are you making any changes to your daily routine this weekend? >> probably a little more drinking and sleeping. >> that's the best way to go i think is to get extremely drunk. >> it is a five-point plan involving having five drinks and then whatever. you are a life long new yorker. are you worried? >> i am very worried. i think what disturbed me most is the recent attempts weren't thwarted by the government. it was because they messed up or the t-shirt vendor in time square noticed the bus, the van. i do feel like it is a matter of time before something gets through and there is an actual attack. >> well, i have called in bill and they are not taking those threats. >> they don't even pat me down anymore which is what i wanted. >> that's why. >> thank you. he gave me my own pat-down. >> do you think that terrorists would pick a symbolic day like 9/11 or a random day? >> that's what i don't get. we would be on heightened alert because it is 9/11

the militia here trained timothy mcveigh. i've seen it firsthand and i don't like it. there's nothing that can substitute for the truth. what's unfortunate is how much little fact-checking that goes on in dealing with the political rhetoric out there. both sides of the aisle are guilty of this. i think it's time for people to start telling the truth and be called out on the truth and not -- they'll say they're telling the truth and they're lying straight to the american public. the american public has been lied to for a very long time. we have not paid for the entitlements that we all collect. and i think at the end of the day, you've either got to cut the entitlements, raise the revenues or do some combination of the both. and that's just not being accepted and it's not being told to the american public. they've been sold a lie. >> also the american people have to accept it as well. the cbs poll said 60% of americans saying, don't raise mys. the same percentage said, don't cut entitlements but i want my check. >> the bottom line is we can't afford ourselves. >> but at

not the ricky ray rekter case where bill clinton flew home to complete an execution or the timothy mcveigh case. this is the first time you have seen a huge public outcry. >> no physical evidence links him to the crime. >> the gun casing that was consistent with a previous crime. he maintained his innocence throughout. >> very good. thank you so much and contributor for msnbc. thanks for stopping by for the latest. the reverend al sharpton will be live from atlanta on the show that is tonight on 6:00 p.m. eastern. the u.s. supreme court stopped texas from convicting a double murderer. pete williams will have details about that story and the controversy coming up at the bottom of the hour. the results of a dna test could answer a 10-year-old mystery in new mexico. what happened to robbie romero? he vanished more than a decade ago when he was 7 years old. he was presumed dead and an 18 year old told police he is romero. he agreed to give a swab of saliva for dna testing. >> i think it will be a total life-changing to have him back in our family again. just introducing him to his brothers and

after detonating a massive truck bomb in front of the federal building in oklahoma city in 1995, timothy mcveigh was arrested for driving without a license plate. in 1993, a group of islamic extremists drove a rented, bomb- laden van into the parking lot of the world trade center complex. when the bomb exploded, it killed six people and wounded over 1000 more, a chilling precursor to 9-11. remarkably, three hours after the explosion, one of the chief conspirators returned to the renter of agency -- the rental agency to get his deposit back for the rented van. it gets worse. when the rental company refused to return the deposit without a police report, he reported the van stolen. eventually, his attempts to get the $400 back unraveled the conspiracy. the exceptional originality of the 9-11 attack is directly -- is indirectly connected to these myths. they rely on readily available, and sophisticated weaponry. they frequently involve few or no fatalities. the typical terrorist group disappears in less than a year, and there is ample evidence terrorists strategic reading makes strategic errors. --

. >> timothy mcveigh. >> an drers breivik. >> terror isn't 9/11.t we've grown up as far as terrorism -- in. >> learning approximate it in the hopes of trying to prevent it. >> the creators, educators, parents, they want the classroom to be a safe space so children can understand in a really comforting way this painful part of the nation's history. there are different exercises designed to stimulate critical thinking. in the class that you heard from, the students were asked what a terrorist look like. some of the girls br surprised that their responses were stereotypical. you identify with what you know. that's what they're trying to change. they're trying to say, well why? why does your terrorist not look like the norwegian gunman who opened fire on all those kids? it really sparks really good and healthy conversation. >> interesting. the former new jersey governor who helped with this curriculum, he told me this week that it's actually the victims' families who have been the wind at their sales in all of this. it's women like maryellen and her fa

much as i think another white male who's a christian and who's a veteran and agrees with what timothy mcveigh did and there's people that i speak outside of their community when i give them an analogy where i think all white veterans are terrorists because timothy mcveigh or ted kaczynski. it's a rational point but it's not sinking in to mainstream america. so i just make that point to say that i don't think the model american syndrome is going to work but let's first before i go there -- or the model citizen strategy is going to work. but let's go back to, okay, so here you are taking on this very confrontational advery -- adversaryial role and that is because the government has lied to us. i'm going to call it a fib to mitigate the offensiveness. so fib number 1, we do not spy on mosques. never have, never will. we do not spy on mosques. we protect the first amendment. we believe in religious freedom. we have no problem with muslims being -- practicing their religion. i've heard that so many times. both in the government and outside of the government. by very well meaning government officia

how come we don't talk about timothy mcveigh and the like in the united states? have they been active? do we know anything about them? why are there concentrate about us? why do we not say to the media be responsible, not just focusing on the middle easterners, or arabs or any other ethnic groups. we are not that bad of people. we are american citizens and we do need protection as well. by announcing that we are. i applied for a government job. not hearing anything. picked up the phone, i talk to women, and she said oh, my gosh, you speak english. i worked for agencies in united states government. she didn't even read it. where do we draw the line? >> i think you bring up a very good point. i think this is a great point that i've raised often, which i think the prejudices and stereotypes is that is a terrorist act defined by the identity of the perpetrator, the race of the perpetrator, the religion of the perpetrator or is it defined by the act? we all think it's the act. but in practice what is happening. and i think it's two things. one is yeah, they stereotype

timothy mcveigh was arrested for driving without a license plate.similarly in 1993 a group of islamic extremist drove a rented bomb-laden van into the underfrowned parking lot of the world trade center complex and using a timer set the bomb to detonate. when the bomb exploded it killed six people and wounded over 1,000 more. a chilling precursor to 9/11. remarkably, three hours after the explosion one of the chief conspirators in the plot, mohammed salami returned to the ryder rental agency to get his deposit back for the rental van. it gets worse. when the rental company refused to return the $400 posit without a police report. he went to the police to report the van stolen. his desperate attempts to get the deposit back unraveled the entire conspiracy. indiscriminate violence of the 9/11 attack to directly connected to these myths. in fact terrorist attacks are highly concentrated in geographical space. they rely to a large extent on readily available unsophisticated weaponry. they frequently involve few or no fatalities. the typical terrorist gro

terrorists. 90 minutes after detonating a massive truck bomb in the federal building in 1995, timothy mcveigh was arrested for driving without a license plate. particularly, a group of islamic extremist drove a van into the underground parking lot, and using the timer set the bomb to detonate. when it exploded, it killed six people, and wounded 1,000 more. remarkably, three hours after the explosion, one the chief conspirators in the plot, return to the rental agency to get his deposit back for the rented van. it gets worse, when the rental company refused to return the $400 deposit without a police report, he went to the police to report it stolen. eventually, his attempts to get the $400 deposit back unraveled the entire conspiracy. just by way of conclusion, the exceptional originally and indiscriminate violence of the 9/11 attack is directly connected to the myths. terrorists attacks are highly con traited in geographic space, they rely on unsophisticated weaponry, and frequently involve few or no fatalities, and groups disappear in less than a year, and they make strategic errors. attack

again, to reiterate, timothy mcvay was one -- mcveigh was one of our own. i was embarrassed and ashamed at that point in time to be an american to think that one of us did this to his own people. host: washingtonpost.com writes "at the northern virginia mosque where al-awlaki preached, some had yet to publicly embrace the anti-american extremism that would make him a target of u.s. drones." that's from washingtonpost.com. here's thomas, independent line. welcome. >> thank you. thank you for taking my call. while i am glad he was gone, al-awlaki was an american citizen. the administration attempts to bring to trial foreign detainees who were not citizens of the united states. now is it the law in this united states that a u.s. citizen can be murdered without due process while noncitizens will have a trial? thank you for allowing me to speak. host: thank you for calling. this is eddie on our democrat's line. caller: hey, there. how are you doing? i'm a veteran since 1970. i think a job well done. once he crossed the line, he was not an american. he was killin