timothy mcveigh is the most successful lone wolf we have seen in 100 years. what technology is making available today, what will it make available 20 years from now? 30, 40, 50 years from now? gene sequencers are available on the internet. people who can grow unthinkable biological organisms are graduating daily. i have a ph.d biochemist who tells you it only takes a bachelor's degree today to know how to get a gene sequencer and create something really bad. as technology builds the capability to do harm, and there are individuals out there who will use that, when they get past getting a gun or something more lethal, what will be the needs of society to make sure that doesn't happen? today we look at it and say it is going to happen a few times a year and it is not worth sacrificing our civil liberties for. but if the potential grows to the point of certainty that sooner or later one of these nuts is going to get something really lethal, we will look at it differently. we might say it is worth sacrificing that a significant portion of our population is not pu

lay could be secular, a timothy mcveigh. theould be single issue, unabomber. 2001, heax attacker in had criminal intent. it is hard to be one or the other. it could be a mishmash of all the five categories or one or more. what factors contribute? social and political grievances, psychological disorders. the affinity with our membership of terrorist organizations. then there could be a broadcasting of terrorist intentions. anders breivik had broadcast what he was going to do. there are signals that the loan will full be something spectacular. then there is the role of enablers. or instance, the internet previous military experience. then there are catalytic agents. there could be personal or political triggering events. timothy mcveigh went the radicalization after an first gulfin the war. he developed a loathing for the federal government. have all these basketcase folks who may be radicalized in one or many ways. then there are what we called stochastic terrorism. basically folks like it's always here he -- although we hear

what are the types of lone wolf terrorists, could allow to miss miss -- timothy mcveigh.in a bomber could be criminal as well and idiosyncratic. when a state criminal, there could be, for example, the anthrax attacker in 2001, bruce ivins who passed away in 2009. he had a criminal intent. it has to be one or the other. it could be a mix match of the five categories. but fact your is going to be a of lone wolf terrorist on they could be documented psychological disorders as we discovered many, including the boston number and others. it could be affinity with their membership of terrorist organization or criminal gangs. then there could be a broadcasting of terrorist intentions, for example, in norway they had broadcast what he was going to do. so there are signals that the wood he lone wolf attacker would be doing something spectacular. then there is the role of enablers and radicalization, for example, for the internet or military experience. the "american idol" addict agents in the process. could be personal and political triggering events. for example, timothy mcveigh w

again, you think back to the example of timothy mcveigh. we've seen others in the united states who are like this as well. and i think that's what the future holds for us. i will leave it there. >> obviously, i think the way you described it, there is no doubt about your analysis on the basis of what already happened, and not only u.s. citizens or permanent residents, but also those who come here to study on a visa, or italy goes as well. but it is also characterized in the european countries as well. as we've seen with the terrible tragedy in norway, in the name of some secular ideologies or so i think this is the way of the future. now, we are going to have another perspective to discuss the issue with treachery, who i introduced earlier -- dr. kumar. and he is teaching also georgetown, the school of foreign service. and he specializes on the financial aspect as well as on south asia in the case study in that particular region. so i asked him to bring in some of his findings and perspectives, and then we're going to have a third speaker t

slower and chilton have put in place i quite frankly hope they don't succeed i've been told that timothy mcveigh one of his mandates is to turn back the clock of time of the c f t c. do you see the assads nominations through. look here's the bottom line in congress the big banks want that's all there is to it you know senator durbin from illinois said the big banks run this place and i think one of the interesting things about bart chilton he's always been able to question the big banks he's not afraid of them and gary gensler after m.f. global he turned on the big banks as well i think it's important for the american public that we have regulators who are willing to stand up to the big banks and to protect the american people you know i recently had a conversation with bart chilton as you know he said co-leader really in two thousand and eight the derivatives that underlie the economic system with the cause of that crash and they what they want to do is protect the american people from future two thousand and eight it's now on the subject of your interview with one. are some of the most startli

solar and chilton have put in place i quite frankly hope they don't succeed i've been told that timothy mcveigh one of his mandates is to turn back the clock of time of the c.f. to see. do you see the assads nomination sailing through. look here's the bottom line the congress the big banks want that's all there is to it you know senator durbin from illinois said the big banks run this place and i think one of the interesting things about bart chilton is he's always been able to question the big banks he's not afraid of them and gary gensler after m.f. global he turned on the big banks as well i think it's important for the american public that we have regulators who are willing to stand up to the big banks and to protect the american people you know i recently had a conversation with bart chilton as you know he said co-leader really in two thousand and eight the derivatives that underlie the economic system with the cause of that crash and they what they want to do is protect the american people from future two thousand and eight it's now on the subject of your interview with what are some of t

solar and chilton have put in place i quite frankly hope they don't succeed i've been told that timothy mcveigh one of his mandates is to turn back the clock of time of the c.f. to see. do you see the assads nomination sailing through. look here's the bottom line in congress the big banks want that's all there is to it you know senator durbin from illinois said the big banks run this place and i think one of the interesting things about bart chilton he's always been able to question the big banks he's not afraid of them and gary gensler after m.f. global he turned on the big banks as well i think it's important for the american public that we have regulators who are willing to stand up to the big banks and to protect the american people you know i recently had a conversation with bart chilton as you know he said co-leader really in two thousand and eight the derivatives that underlie the economic system with the cause of that crash and they what they want to do is protect the american people from future two thousand and eight it's now on the subject of your interview with one. are some of the m

listen, you and i both know, go back to timothy mcveigh, we know some people turn to violence, god forbidhis awful violence and oklahoma city because of grudges or hatred or whatever the evil, dark side, emotion is in their heart and head and that's the excuse and motive but then again, i think in 2010 there were like 12,000 firearm homicides and motives all over the place. i think we have to be very careful not to just categorize and suggest that this is the only one we have to be worried about. there are broader issues that have to be discussed. clearly, if he had a grievance against the government, we'll find out more about it. no with standing that, they may have been his motive but i'm not sure you can do anything to prevent this type of particular incident from happening. >> tom ridge, appreciate your time, thank you. >> always good talking with anderson, thank you. >>> we have more into the newsroom and debra is working with her sources on that. we'll be right back next. >>> i want to check back in with >>> i want to check back in with debra. what are you learning about the contact

timothy mcveigh is one of the most successful lone wolfs we had in a hundred years. he killed hundreds of people. technology is making available today, what technology 20 years from now, what is technology going to make available to lone wolf, 40 or 50 years from now? already gene sequencers are available on the internet and people with the knowledge to sequence and grow almost unthinkable biological organisms are graduating daily, ph.d. in biochemistry will tell you it doesn't take but a bachelor's degree today to know how to get aids genes sequencer a genes se something really bad. there are individuals out there who will use that. when they get past finding again and reached for biology or more lethal technology, what will be the needs of society to make sure that doesn't happen? today we can look at it and say it is going to happen a few times a year and is not worth sacrificing our civil liberties for but if the potential grows to the point of almost certainty that sooner or later one of these nuts will get a hold of something really lethal we might look at it d

use timothy mcveigh as an example.ed the federal building in oklahoma city until the time the sentence was carried out was six or seven years. so is that how long this administration wants us to wait? when a bank is robbed, is it okay for the fdic or the bank owners to go in and talk to the tellers, or do you have to wait until the trial is over with? gregg: you know, in this administration pretty consistently says, oh, cases pending, investigation pending, can't talk about it. look, you're a lawyer, a veteran prosecutor for many -- there is no law that prohibits the government from the talking about an existing case, isn't that true? >> there is no law that prohibits it. and if you're telling the truth, that's the great thing about the truth is it doesn't take that long to remember it, and you don't need a script to remember it. think -- i was a prosecutor. think back to any category of crime. i did a lot of child abuse cases. are you really saying that the child can't talk to a therapist, parents, teachers, pastors u