. >> there's a back story to timothy mcveigh. we should not. we should -- >> no, there's a back story. it's called the evil. he is a sick evil sob and deserves to die. >> that's not sufficient. >> yes, it is. >> it's not economic. >> there are plenty of poor people that don't go out killing people. >>> in the meantime we're going to look at isis to recruit radicals. mark saying that it can be done, and he knows how to get it done. will it work? >> i think that we need to put out truth on what it's like under isis controls and that wo killed others. >>> beating isis at it's o own game. senator mark rubio saying that there's a way to start right now. >> we need to put out the counter part and saying what life is like under the isis control and that undermines them and the recruit. it's been a part of every conflict, and it needs to be apart of this one. we need to cut off the flow of joining isis and being radicalized and offering information. >> in a fox news alert adam agrees with mark rubio. explain my friend. >> well, i think that he is makin

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right before the unabomber was arrested -- timothy mcveigh carried out the oklahoma city bombing in 1995. 1995.it killed 168 people -- and was the deadliest act of history -- and also killing 19 children.mcveigh was a desert storm vet -- and was drdren to violence in the united states after seeing the federal government kill its own people in stand offs in idaho and texas.jim denny's children were both hurt in the explosion.cbs spoke with him the night it happened -- and again 20 years later. "you've e en the building. building.i've seen the building. building.it's a miracle you have your children today todayit's an absolute miracle miracleit's with us every hour of every day and we see it and live it." one of the most recent attacks -- besides the shooting at planned parenthood -- was a shooting at a church in charleston, south carolina. carolina.dylann roof is accused of shooting and killing nine people in a historically black church during a prayer meeting. authorities have said that the shooting was racially motivated.roof has pleaded not guilty and is due to have his trial next summ

submit to the penalty that' s been imposed as in the case of the oklahoma city bombing, when timothy mcveigh withdrew his appeals and was eventually executed. jennifer to commitment 2016 now, : new jersey governor chris christie made a stop at the airport diner in manchester today for our candidate cafe series, where he explained his route into politics. and the role his family is playing in his run for the white house. wmur political director josh mcelveen has more. josh if you see chris christie, : there a pretty good chance and today was no different. >> you know we have always been a team since weve been marries almost 31 years ago wether it was my career or chris' s career. >> i have spent more days here than any other candidate and i think mary pat has spent more days here than any other candidate other than me. >> wharton biz school graduate, really smart really organized and he looked at me and he said how will you support my daughter? and we said we' ll figure it out and he looked at me and said doesn' t sound like a plan chris -- like a plan. 31 years old and i ran because i , was

after the oklahoma city bombing, timothy mcveigh was able to flee while officers look for arab terrorists. same claim was repeated in letters they sent to congress ordering them to end the racial profiling act. my time is up. i have some other articles and other statistics. conclude since this is the federalist society, let me leave you with this report -- among the many arguments wise and free people find it to direct your attention, that providing safety seems to be the first. thank you. [applause] thank you so: much. we will have some time during questions and answers to have panelists as questions of each other and we can discuss these things in greater detail. our next panelists was the director of the cato institute product -- project on criminal justice. under its direction, is become a leading voice in spring the bill of rights and civil liberties. his research includes the war on terror, the drug war, the militarization of least tactics and in control. he blogs extensively at the cato institute national police misconduct reporting project and has written some interested -- intere

and what brian's talking about in the oklahoma city bombing, this is where timothy mcveigh came into laid out soup cans on the kitchen floor to show how he was going to arrange the explosives in the truck bomb. and fortier failed to report that. is there a similar thing here? that's something they're looking at. >> pete, i want to once again recall that brian twice said you guys were old. i didn't say anything. >> we do know each other a long time. >> blake and i are the youngsters here. >> i look older, he looks the same. go figure. >> brian, pete, thank you very much for being with me this morning. appreciate it. >>> house republicans say the white house broke the law when it brokered a prisoner swap for army sergeant bowe bergdahl. bergdahl taken captive after leaving his base. five years later he's talking about for the first time in a serial podcast released this morning. >> there i was in the open desert and i'm not about to outrun a bunch of motorcycles. >> yeah. >> so i couldn't do anything against, you know, six or seven guys with ak-47s. and they just -- they pulled up and

timothy mcveigh was able to flee while officers look for arab terrorists.this same claim was repeated in letters they sent to congress ordering them to end the racial profiling act. my time is up. i have some other articles and other statistics. but me just conclude since this is the federalist society, let me leave you with this report -- among the many arguments wise and free people find it to direct your attention, that providing safety seems to be the first. thank you. [applause] justice stras: thank you so much. we will have some time during questions and answers to have panelists as questions of each other and we can discuss these things in greater detail. our next panelists was the director of the cato institute product -- project on criminal justice. under its direction, is become a leading voice in spring the bill of rights and civil liberties. his research includes the war on terror, the drug war, the militarization of least tactics and in control. he blogs extensively at the cato institute national police misconduct reporting project and has writ

in these duos, whether it was muhammed and malveaux, timothy mcveigh and miss assistant terry nicholsy a dominant player in the duo. the fact this conspiracy was never carried out -- and remember, a conspiracy is merely an agreement between two parties to commit a crime and an overidentifiable step toward the crime. marquez was a bit more vulnerable and the more malleable one. he never carried out anything. when it came time for the terrorist attacks to be carried out with the weapons marquez bought, syed farook used his wife and not marquez. there is no evidence marquez knew about the plan or he would be charged with possibly more offenses. i think they are throwing the book at marquez. i do think in some way he was conflicted, got cold feet, was not deemed reliable by farooq. you don't need to have the other conspirator charged or even convicted in order for one member of the conspiracy to be charged and tried. >> we talk about the threat of terror at home, specifically about isis. president obama said today, it's understandable. he understands why people are concerned at home, but,

for example, when the greatest terrorist attacks in this country by timothy mcveigh happened, none of us said after that, well, we have to exclude people who served in the military or people of timothy mcveigh's religion. instead, we found out what he had done and how we might stop others from doing the same thing. the events of the past six months have underscored the varied nature of the threats the fbi faces. this past june, nine african-american church goers were murdered by a white supremacist during a bible study in charleston. the day after thanksgiving, three individuals, including a police officer, were shot to death inside a woman's health clinic in colorado springs. last week, 14 county workers in san bernardino were murdered in a shooting rampage. none of these seem related. all of them had different causes and motivations among those shooting. the director may not be able to share all the details about these investigations today, but i believe we can agree there's one common motivating factor behind each of these heinous crimes, and that's hateful extremism. the church go

the timothy mcveigh attack on the murrah federal building was actually terrorism despite the fact thate was not a muslim. it is possible for terrorism to take place if it's the klan who are professed christians. if it's an anti-abortion terrorist. it's all terrorism. and very quickly, chris, if you watch every other candidate becoming donald trump, you really get a sense of where the party is right now. they're all attempting to be donald trump. not distinct from him. >> that's true. josh barro and joy reid, thank you both. we'll be right back with some final thoughts from san bernardino. 0 >>> you know, i've now spent the better part of three weeks immersed in the strange mobile village of tv news coming to the site in the wake of an atrocity. and it's been weird and sad, and there's two things i think that can get lost. one thing for us and one thing for you. the thing for us is in the air of competitive pressure it's easy to lose sight of the fact we're dealing with human beings. all the stories we're telling with r. about human beings, inner lives and loves and hopes and dreams and

somebody are from a mosque once a week is going to know what is going to do >> and what about timothy mcveigh, because he might have gone to church every so often. and now you are telling me that you have vacation planned. >> yes. >> and it would be entirely different under donald trump's policy, and say, ha haroon is going to go to france. >> haroon would have to stay in france. and not just me, but family members abroad and businessmen and diplomats and world leaders and so many questions that come up, and muslims now are scared an uncop fortable, because this language is going in a certain direction. we talk about the fascism and maybe we use the world lightly, but in donald trump's case, it is not unfair, because he is proposing collective punishment, and he said that entire religious community should suffer for the actions of a few. and it should point out that primary enemy of isis is other muslims. if islam is a cal fwat and t -- caliphate, and the world's muslims are rejecting them, that is a powerful rebuttal. >> that is what the point is that i was trying to make it to jeffrey lord.

the timothy mcveigh attack on the murrah federal building was actually terrorism despite the fact thatwas not a muslim. it is possible for terrorism to take place if it's the klan who are professed christians. if it's an anti-abortion terrorist. it's all terrorism. and very quickly, chris, if you watch every other candidate becoming donald trump, you really get a sense of where the party is right now. they're all attempting to be donald trump. not distinct from him. >> that's true. josh barro and joy reid, thank you both. we'll be right back with some final thoughts from san bernardino. like turning algae into biofuel... ...new technology for capturing co2 emissions... ...and cars twice as efficient as the average car today. ideas exxonmobil scientists are working on to make energy go further... ...no matter how many tries it takes. energy lives here. but i've managed.e crohn's disease is tough, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms

the timothy mcveigh tack on the murrah federal building was actually terrorism despite the fact thatnot a muslim. it is possible for terrorism to take place if it's the klan who are professed christians. if it's an anti-abortion terrorist. it's all terrorism. and very quickly, chris, if you watch every other candidate becoming donald trump, you really get a sense of where the party is right now. they're all attempting to be donald trump. not distinct from him. >> that's true. josh barro and joy reid, thank you both. we'll be right back with some final thoughts from san bernardino. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual? he said sure. but don't get just any one. get one inspired by dentists. with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's rounded brush head cups your teeth to break up plaque and rotates to sweep it away. and oral-b delivers a clinically proven superior clean versus sonicare diamondclean. my mouth feels super clean. oral-b know you're getting a superior clean. i'm never going back to a manual brush. they come into thi

why wouldn't they attack a federal building or something like timothy mcveigh did? maybe they knew there would be a large amount of people there and that's why they chose to attack that location. there is a lot of questions that need to be answered here and we're going to learn a lot about this attack and we always learn a lot to be able to help prevent the next one. >> the big question, though, if there is another shooter on the loose that they have been vague, maybe we'll get answers on the press conference that's a couple minutes late, maybe we'll get answers. you got darkness descending and at this point, no one publicly knowing what the motive is here, the people that they did find, the two shooters down had all these extra pipe bombs, what does that say about this possible third shooter and what this person could be capable of doing? >> they need to make the assumption there was a third shooter. the target disturbs me because it speaks to me of a high body count, high body count reasonable helpless people on a location. that has a signature to it, and like bob

people who served in the military or people timothy mcveigh's religion. the event of the past six months have underscored the very nature of the threat the fbi faces. this past june, nine african american churchgoers were murdered by a white supremacist during a bible study in charleston. the day after thanksgiving, three individuals, including a police officer, were shot to death inside a women's health clinic in colorado springs. last week, 14 county workers in san bernardino were murdered in a shooting rampage. related.e scene all of them had different motivations among those shooting. not be able toy share all the details about these investigations today, but we can't agree there is one common motivating factor -- hateful extremism. one of the churchgoers murdered, the people in the women's health clinic, the people in san bernardino, hateful extremism coming from different directions. it reminds us to be vigilant against all forms of violent extremism. i would hope that no one underestimates incredible difficult job protecting the country from terror

they were not in fear of terrorism when timothy mcveigh blew up the oklahoma city mirror building.hen jim jones took a bunch of americans, one was my cousin, and murders than. where was the fear of terrorism? they did not attach religion to .he act, but it was terrorism they were not afraid when this young man walked into a church and killed 9 innocent people who were worshiping when it came to find out that he was a christian murdering other christians. all of a sudden you attach religion to these issues, it becomes terrorism. they were not afraid when the ku klux klan, the oldest terrorism organization on the planet, is still murdering, killing, and committing terrorist acts. since they are christians, not islamic, it is not terrorism, but an act of violence. we need to stop this rhetoric. i will government can protect us, but the best protection is the citizen coming together to help the government protect us. host: this is pregnant on twitter -- this is peg on twitter. the government cannot stop it all. from radical taoist. safety is an illusion. only a weak person would expect

when you have timothy mcveigh, they manipulate a more vulnerable person.f that mosque. it's not an extreme mosque. it seems to me they would have been -- >> the mosque farook attended? >> yes. >> i have to take a break. we'll be back with much more in the "newsroom." wfrom your cold & flu. you give them a case of the giggles. tylenol® cold helps relieve your worst cold & flu symptoms... you can give them everything you've got. tylenol® ♪ just look at those two. happy. in love. and saving so much money on their car insurance by switching to geico... well, just look at this setting. do you have the ring? oh, helzberg diamonds. another beautiful setting. i'm not crying. i've just got a bit of sand in my eyes, that's all. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. if youthen you'll know howouth, uncomfortable it can be. but did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? well, there is biotene, specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants. biotene can provide soothing relief and it

for violence or crimes by any community, but so far, i have not known yet nor is it an issue, timothy mcveigh'srch, nobody knows it and there are so many others like him that we don't know their mosque or church but when a muslim immediately does anything wrong, you immediately go to the mosque and that's why the mosque has become a lightning rod for good or for bad, definitely that's not good, but we got some information directly from the f.b.i. after 9/11 when they came to visit with the administration and they showed some i.d. card for the -- one of the highjackers saying that he put the address of our center on his driver's license, and when we look carefully at the license, it was issued september 12, so there's a lot of things that you cannot interpret. there is nothing wrong with defining the terrorists or the attacker or the crime or the criminal, but attaching him to his religion has not been the norm until it is a muslim. >> the question is what are you doing to ease those concerns if you go on line and you read from some white ring bloggers there is criticism of mosques including you

timothy mcveigh and nichols, very similar. usually, the dominant person is more operational.unusual here is not so much that there's a woman involved. but that it appears, at least where the speculation is going, that she was the dominant catalyst with the radicalization. the mosque that he belonged to is a peaceful mosque. i know the leader. he didn't get it there. he got it from her. and there may be ties with extremists unconfirmed. >> there are reports, trying to get as much as we can about tashfeen malik and farook. we know that they met through this dating website. he's been described as a quiet, shy person. possibly, did she seek out a submissive man to get her from pakistan here -- from saudi arabia here? >> look, the million dollar question, michael weiss will tell you similar things they some a bifurcated strategy. one is to get fighters trained, send them back. it's a lot harder to do that here in the united states. the words from the radio station last night tell us a lot. they didn't say warriors, fighters for us, supporters. so it looks like this is almost an in

. >> timothy mcveigh was characterized as terrorist. why can't we label these people as terrorists? maria: that's horrible. it doesn't fit into the narrative i guess the president has been selling. steve, thank you. appreciate your time this morning. want to move on to markets right now because futures are indicating a higher opening for the broader averages. there was real disappointment yesterday after the ecb decision for more stimulus. markets just felt the ecb did not create enough stimulus. it was just not enough. we had a large selloff across the world. but we're seeing strength ahead of the jobs report. that is the november jobs report due out at 8:30 a.m. eastern this morning. employers are expected to have 200,000 jobs added to the economy and the unemployment rate is expected to hold steady at 5%. 200,000 jobs is the number we're expecting. joanie courtney, let's talk there in terms where the jobs are. what is your take? >> this i think is one of the most important reports through the whole year. we had a lot of volatility through the year, it as evened up and down. we ha

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for example, when the greatest terrorist attacks in this country by timothy mcveigh happened none of us said after that, well, we have to exclude people who served in the military or people of timothy mcveigh's religion. instead we found out what he had done and how we might stop others from doing the same thing. the events of the past six months have underscored the varied nature of the threats the fbi faces. this past june nine african-american church goers were murdered by a white supremacist during a bible study in charleston. the day after thanksgiving three individuals, including a police officer were shot to death inside a woman's health clinic in colorado springs. last week, 14 county workers in san bernardino were murdered in a shooting rampage. none of these seem related. all of them had different causes and motivations among those shooting. the director may not be able to share all the details about these investigations today, but i believe we can agree there's one common motivating factor behind each of these heinous crimes and that's hateful extremism. the church goers w