terry nichols have been in custody since after the bombing. >> timothy mcveigh and terry nichols met army. mcveigh fought in the first persian gulf war. >> the one thing that sustained him about his reading borrow the far right and meeting like minded people. >> mcveigh's plan to blow up the -- >> mcveigh vised malitia groups through the the country. he wen to the waco compound when it was under siege. on april 19, two years to the date of the waco incident, oklahoma city was bombed. >> mr. president there are tens, maybe more, tens of thousands of men and women dressing up on weekends in military guard going off for training because they're up set about waco despite what you say. we're talking about thousands and thousands of people in this country who are furious at the federal government. >> well, they have a right to believe whatever they want, they have a right to say whatever they want, they have a right to keep and bare arms, they have a right to put on uniforms and go out on the weekends, they do not have the right to kill innocent americans or violate the law. >> it's not li

how could you profile timothy mcveigh when he did the oklahoma bombing?annot take a group of people and arbitrarily put them in a particular category. intelligence and evidence should drive. >> to group that? the left invokes white supremacist and antigovernment folks. that reality is we have been under attack by muslim extremists terrorists since 9/11. before that 1993 with the first world trade center hit. what you say to this idea that we cannot keep yourself safe unless we know who the guys are the for their? >> those of the wrong questions to ask. there has been terror attacks by various groups of people but when we start looking at the groups first and the crime second we are failing. the police can do better than this. the police can do profiling that is not racial or religious profiling but basically good police work. good intelligence. please can do better than rounded up groups of people in deciding these are the bad guys. when they do that they fail. >> certainly what the president said today, scotland yard, he is at least saying this. i don't

the most important of whom was timothy mcveigh, who was responsible for bombing the oklahoma city federal building in april 1995, which killed 168 people. he was enommeramored of the tur diaries. david copeland in england, he was a right-wing bomber and bombed some places in london in 1999. there are some people in the extreme right subculture now that think the turner diaries -- that it's misguided to follow that blue print for revolution, the idea that the federal government will disintegrate and that there will be revolution. some think that, no, that's not really a viable strategy, and so there is now some debate in the extreme right subculture on whether the turner diaries is good, that that's really a prophecy for future events. other people say, no, it's fantasyland and instead we should get really into the idea of doing hard work, activism, recruiting people in the movement rather than expecting the federal government to implode. okay? jonathan, what do you have for me, sir? >> do you see any, like, contemporary attempts, like you said rockwell, i believe in the nazi party, like a

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. >> lo and behold, it wasn't long before timothy mcveigh came along.h the oklahoma city bombing. and he had read the turner diaries. and he had picked up where he saw bob matthews and his group had stopped. so we are able to say with confidence today that those people no longer are a threat to our country. we're not able to say with confidence that the belief system in that philosophy is gop forever. because it's not. it's still here. it's still with us. >>> there's a colonade here where the president invited us in on a wintry washington day. mr. president, thank you very much for letting us come in today. >> pleased to do it, dave. >> rolling, please. and shoot. >> get out of the way. >> you're the only movie actor i know of who ever got elected to a high office. did you learn anything as an actor that has been useful to you as president? >> i'm tempted to say something here. >> go ahead. >> there have been times in this office when i wondered how you could do the job if you hadn't been an actor. >> we haven't had a better all-around president who had

timothy mcveigh is a fan of "behold a pale horse." but also it's really popular in the hip-hop fan community. and the idea that jay z is an illuminati mastermind. these kind of very disparate communities unite behind holding william cooper's "behold a pale horse" in high regard. and part of that is how all encompassing cooper's narrative is. and it has to be all encompassing. because he has a very direct philosophy. i do not believe in fight. i do not believe in accidents. i cannot and will not accept the theory that long sequences of unrelated accidents determine world events. remind us of anything? >> causality? >> bingo. right. cooper is a excellent example of that idea of mechanistic causality. of that idea that evelyn brought up before, right. that there has to be a reason. for cooper, everything happens for a reason. there is no contingency. there is no accident. which means that when the question of extraterrestrial life comes along, it also is going to have to be folded into his grand conspir isist narrative. and cooper, as wi